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Trump thread continued. Who rules the USA? Vote now.

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amispartacus · 04/02/2017 14:41

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2844593-Dont-put-the-phone-down-on-this-thread-Treat-it-with-respect-Its-the-official-Trump-thread-8?

Because there's a lot going on.

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Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 11:10

Wow so many Trump voters now sorely regretting it...

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/05/trump-regrets-twitter-voters-election-ashamed?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

originalmavis · 05/02/2017 11:13

They will be even more pissed off when they get totally screwed by banks foreclosing crazy loans, refused planned parenting, can't afford healthcare, jobless, and prices hiked because of trade embargoes.

Meantime the rich cronies just get richer and richer. No, he hasn't got a plan for the little guy.

originalmavis · 05/02/2017 11:14

Oh and have even more legitimate firearms in people who really shouldnt have them.

Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 11:16
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Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 11:31

Excellent article about how the sound bite culture lead to the rise of Trump

www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/02/amusing-ourselves-to-death-neil-postman-trump-orwell-huxley

Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 11:33

This

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originalmavis · 05/02/2017 11:35

We were in a second hand bookshop and DS who is a big Orwell fan asked if they had any copies of 1984. The assistant laughed and said that their copies had flown off the shelf, they are trying to get more and people keep asking for it.

BiglyBadgers · 05/02/2017 11:43

This is from that guardian article destiny like linked. I have posted it out as it gives things we can do to fight this rise of the sound bite and misinformation. The bit about teaching our children how to recognise false information and to question everything is something I feel very strongly. I think a lot of the time the education system has not caught up with the different requirements for learning in the age of the internet. In a world when every child has information about everything in their pockets what we need to teach them is how to navigate this ocean of data and also how to protect their own data.

"First: treat false allegations as an opportunity. Seek information as close to the source as possible. The internet represents a great chance for citizens to do their own hunting – there’s ample primary source material, credible eyewitnesses, etc, out there – though it can also be manipulated to obfuscate that. No one’s reality, least of all our collective one, should be a grotesque game of telephone.

Second: don’t expect “the media” to do this job for you. Some of its practitioners do, brilliantly and at times heroically. But most of the media exists to sell you things. Its allegiance is to boosting circulation, online traffic, ad revenue. Don’t begrudge it that. But then don’t be suckered about the reasons why Story X got play and Story Y did not.

Third: for journalists, Jay Rosen, a former student of my father’s and a leading voice in the movement known as “public journalism”, offers several useful, practical suggestions.

Finally, and most importantly, it should be the responsibility of schools to make children aware of our information environments, which in many instances have become our entertainment environments, but there is little evidence that schools are equipped or care to do this. So someone has to.

We must teach our children, from a very young age, to be skeptics, to listen carefully, to assume everyone is lying about everything. (Well, maybe not everyone.) Check sources. Consider what wasn’t said. Ask questions. Understand that every storyteller has a bias – and so does every platform."

ZebraOwl · 05/02/2017 11:46

Is everyone suddenly reading 1984 now to be able to say [truthfully] they've read it? Do they think there's going to be a test? Or are they worried that they can't just mumble about "an Orwellian nightmare" any more, people will realise that they've not ACTUALLY read it because suddenly EVERYONE has ACTUALLY read it, they're not just SAYING they have.

But they should all be reading Brave New World anyway, not just for the parallels, as in the article, but because it is better. So there. Well, not that I've read either since I was about 14, but that's not the point. I stand by my 14yo self's judgement. Yes.

(Not meaning your son, originalmavis, clearly!)

Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 11:47

Trump's tweeting again...

Comments underneath are great!

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827885966509604865

Badders123 · 05/02/2017 11:48

Ds1 is studying 1984 at the moment
He is 13 and even he can see the parallels between the book and what's happening globally now

Roussette · 05/02/2017 11:51

Destiny that article is interesting. On Trump's twitter feed I've noticed more and more voters for him commenting saying things like "I voted for you and now I'm ashamed" or words to that effect. I have to say those on the other side, in some instances, have been kind and applauded them for their honesty.

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 11:54

That tweet from Trump is from yesterday. He's not tweeted since the court denied the appeal.

amispartacus · 05/02/2017 11:59

First: treat false allegations as an opportunity. Seek information as close to the source as possible. The internet represents a great chance for citizens to do their own hunting – there’s ample primary source material, credible eyewitnesses, etc, out there – though it can also be manipulated to obfuscate that. No one’s reality, least of all our collective one, should be a grotesque game of telephone

That's what I try and do on here - go to the source.

It's interesting to see what's NOT said.

UK employment - well you can spin that depending on how you want to read it. When you get to the figures - UNEMPLOYMENT is down, but EMPLOYMENT is not up. It's a lot more confusing than soundbites.

Understand that every storyteller has a bias – and so does every platform

Critical thinking - a must.

When a story is being reported, what's being said. What's not being said? Who's being quoted? What images are shown?

I've been on marches and demonstrations - what I saw was very different to what the media saw.

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M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 05/02/2017 12:00

Brave New World isn't necessarily better as a book (bit of an apples and pears comparison), but I've long thought it was a better guess at what an authoritarian future might look like - persuade the people that they're happy, drug them with soma, feed them endless feely-vision and stupid sports that make no sense, give them endless access to meaningless sex, and deal with the opposition not by making them heroes of the resistance, but simply turning them into that slightly oddball intellectual child you never wanted anything to do with at school. "I'm so glad I'm a beta."

amispartacus · 05/02/2017 12:01

On Trump's twitter feed I've noticed more and more voters for him commenting saying things like "I voted for you and now I'm ashamed" or words to that effect

But....they may not be Trump supporters. They may be. You may want them to be. They may well be.

Cognitive biases and wanting to believe something - we are all guilty of it. I fell for some fake news because it was so believable - it was exactly the kind of thing I believed he would say.

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Deadsouls · 05/02/2017 12:07

This is a good interview with Noam
Chomsky. I trust Chomsky, he knows what he's saying

m.youtube.com/watch?v=jB54XxbgI0E

Deejoda · 05/02/2017 12:10

Burma's treatment (or lack of protection) for the Roghinya who are a muslim minority is shocking but sadly in keeping with the world political anti-Islam sentiments. I shared a fb post trying to raise awareness and a usually mild Buddhist I know tried to get me to take it down because he claimed it was fake news. Their population has been decimated and it feels like no one gives a FF!
Melissa Mccarthy on SNL is a light on this gloomy morning. Hilarious when she picks up the podium and bashes the media in the face. Very symbolic
m0stly thank you for working on the British version of Second. Hope someone makes it into reality

Formerpigwrestler9 · 05/02/2017 12:17

Thanks Deadsouls 👍
I'm going to watch that Chomsky interview a bit later on today

Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 12:17

Deadsouls I was just thinking of Chomsky, as our discussion reminded me of this quote:

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”
― Noam Chomsky, The Common Good

Badders123 · 05/02/2017 12:18

Spartacus...a quick look at their twitter account will tell you that.
I've seen many trump supporters bemoan their vote (one who was upset her immigrant husband could not get back into the country....)

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 12:22

Just a quick clarification on the court thing...

Neal Katyal ‏*@neal*_katyal 2h2 hours ago
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Some media saying ct appeals rejected govt stay.Not precisely correct.It rejected emer stay &has set briefing sched.

Destinysdaughter · 05/02/2017 12:24

I really hope this isn't true, 8 million pp to be deported??

www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-deportations-20170204-story.html

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 12:28

There are rumours about it. It would certainly be a way for them to get rid of those were settled in the US.

Here's hoping the UK never goes that route.