Trump thread continued. Who rules the USA? Vote now.

[amispartacus]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2844593-Dont-put-the-phone-down-on-this-thread-Treat-it-with-respect-Its-the-official-Trump-thread-8?

Because there's a lot going on.

Appeal denied!!
Meltdown prediction?

Yep, lockdown of all flights in and out of the USA after 9/11 - except the special flight carrying Bush's Saudi oil mates, the Binladen family, out of the country.

Strange how the Saudis always get exceptions.

Interesting alternative view

www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/02/trump-outrage

Who is he tweeting for? What's the underlying message in his tweets?

I don't know how else to share Facebook posts from my phone, but this stuff reminds me of the post-Brexit stuff so much.

Whatever the root cause, and whether Trump's a cause or a symptom, or both, we're definitely seeing fascism on the rise again. Unnerving how history just comes in waves.

From that Guardian article by the American: "Trump is no fascist. He is a champion for the forgotten millions"

"blame it on those who never saw this coming and still don’t understand why so many Americans would rather have Donald Trump in the White House than suffer the rule of their elites."

So, bit behind the curve, that writer.

Americans ARE suffering the rule of their elites. Donald Trump has filled his cabinet with them. And of course as a hereditary billionaire is one himself, however much the claigs of this world try to pretend otherwise.

Thank you so much for the Spicer SNL link, I almost choked on my morning coffee, one of the funniest things I've watched!

This is a worry (understatement)

"“Donald Trump wants to remove us from undue federal scrutiny by removing ‘white supremacists’ from the definition of ‘extremism,’” the founder and editor of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer (which takes its name from a Nazi propaganda publication) wrote in a post on the site. “Yes, this is real life. Our memes are all real life. Donald Trump is setting us free.”

Aliens land. Take me to your leader. Really? Are you sure?

It would go as:
Are you intent in blowing up the White House?
A) yes. - point towards Washington (maybe Moscow too)
B) no - point towards Berlin.

On the subject of spitting image I'm sure I remember hearing a radio interview with the makers of it who felt that in retrospect they probably did Maggie a favour. Both in that they portrayed her as strong and dominant, but also that by making her a figure of fun they stopped people from taking her as a serious threat. I think there is a real risk with Trump that if everyone is busy laughing and treating him like an idiot they forget that what is happening is deadly serious and needs a serious response.

On the other hand I bet it really winds him up something rotten

(And I'm not for a moment subscribing to the tired rhetoric of that writer that "elite" automatically equals bad - I'm quite happy to have an elite surgeon cut me open, ta very much. But Trump has carved up government among his rich and connected buddies while removing legislation like Obamacare and Dodd-Frank which protect the ordinary citizen.)

Bless

Give him a chance, says Former ArchBishop George Carey

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/763210/trump-protest-london-criticism-george-carey-theresa-may-uk-us-president

(yes, the Express)

I do wonder if people give interviews and then regret them when Trump tweets something after the interview.

Writing exclusively for the Sunday Express today he says: “I cannot recall such demonstrations against terrible autocratic regimes such as Burma, Sudan and North Korea.

"“But it is one of the key characteristics of those who consider themselves progressive to reserve condemnation for America, ‘the West’, or Israel and ignore much greater evil-doers.” "

Because America should be better. I don't think he can see that his attitudes towards minorities in the West will become more acceptable - maybe as a straight, white male, he can't see that...

I must have missed the offer of state visits for leaders of North Korea & Burma.

From the Guardian article AmI links to: "They want him to dismantle Dodd-Frank financial regulations for Wall Street and rethink US trade deals."

Insofar as the inhabitants of Akron, Ohio (the author's chosen "every small town") know what Dodd-Frank means, I presume the author is suggesting they'd like mortgage regulations relaxed so they can magically get one when they're not financially secure enough to do so (the so-called "sub prime" mortgages of 10 years back). And conveniently forgetting that these mortgages had small print which hid sudden hikes in interest rate after an initial sweetener period to draw in the unwary - resulting in massive amounts of default and the financial collapse of 2008. And the resulting global recession which was not down to Obama - as the Guardian's economics editor pointed out the other week, in the UK outside of London, earnings in real terms still have not recovered to 2008 levels. It was global (sorry, know I'm preaching to the choir here...)

And Dodd Frank was meant to stop that happening again - and Trump is ripping it up.

(You know, it was one of the few bits of the American economic system I was actually envious of - they have/had better bank regulation than the EU. It used to be cited as one of the areas where America would lose out under TTIP.)

And Dodd Frank was meant to stop that happening again - and Trump is ripping it up

That's the kind of message that needs to get out. The sub prime issue affected all of us.

Breaking:
Appeals Court denies Trump lawyers emergency motion to appeal Travel ban.

I must have missed the offer of state visits for leaders of North Korea & Burma

This. I've said it before but it's always worth repeating. Look at who's telling you now to worry. Not to over react. Condemning people for not complaining about other less democratic countries.

I am glad the Pope is trolling him.

If George Carey missed demonstrations against the Burma regime he must have been living down a hole.

They've usually been in the form of demonstrations in support of Aung Sun Suu Kyi, so maybe he got confused.

Perhaps the very high levels of inequality iin the us are a key factor?
Past a certain point a kind of rot sets in and someone like trump emerges because the time is ripe for him, a certain niche opens up and the person who fits the niche is drawn into it.
A very bad zeitgeist gave birth to president Trump.

Been mentally working on the "Britain second" video. Or as I think of it, "Britain fifty-first."

"We have such a long and rich history - you'll love it!" (clips of palaces and castles, the state carriage).

"And our history teaches us so much about the common ground between Great Britain and America - or should that be "Great Again America? We love capitalism too. Love it. Unfettered capitalism then..." (clip of Lytton Mill) "And now..." (clip of Sports Direct.) "Fantastic."

"And appeasement - love it.. Absolutely love it. We're the best at it. All the other countries' appeasers - losers. France couldn't do it right. Marshall Petain..." (clip of Petain) "Complete failure. But Britain... We loved it then" (clip of Chamberlain coming down the steps of the plane with his piece of paper) "And we love it now..." (clip of TM holding the orange one's hand).

"And alt right politics - we have a long tradition of that too. We loved it back in the thirties" (clips of Moseley and his blackshirts, front pages of the Daily Express from the thirties with anti-semitic headlines), "And we're still doing it now ..." (clips of Nuttall the nutter), "Sometimes on an international stage. Giving it to the Europeans where it really hurts" (clip of Farage in the European Parliament with the Labour MP behind him holding up a sign saying 'he's lying to you').

Anyone else got any ideas? And the techy-nous to put this together into an actual video? Since no-one in the British comedy establishment wants to do it?

We also don't depend on Burma or North Korea to work with us on security issues.

Trump's actions are intentionally pushing the world towards conflict. That sounds like it's hyperbole, but I'm just looking at what has been said by Trump and Bannon.

So far there is no reason to believe that they don't intend to follow through on what they have threatened.

My mind sort of imploded at that point in the article m0stly as it came after this sentence: :

"As far as most Americans were concerned, the financial crisis was brought on by the excesses of Wall Street bankers and the incompetency of our political leaders."

Whaaat! So they think the financial crisis was caused by allowing wall Street bankers to do what they wanted and at the same time they want to get rid of the regulation that was out in place to stop that? I want to go find this guy, sit him down and make him read out his article slowly, spot the inconsistencies and try again. FFS

I also am seriously bored of the whole 'Oh whoa is us! The terrible liberal types just don't understand us! Boohoo. All us trump voters are so poor and have it so hard and you just don't get it!'. The fact is a large proportion of people who voted for trump are relatively wealthy and do not have anything harder than the liberals they moan about. Most people on lower incomes voted Clinton.
Here is a guardian article about the misconception on wealth of trump voters from just after the election www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls

I posted a summary of Dodd frank on the last thread but yes, repealing chunks of it is a truly bad idea.

Admittedly I'd question whether trump actually understands stuff like the causes of the credit crunch, derivatives, asset backed securities and the role they played. I suspect he doesn't, not really. He just knows the impact the restrictions have had on him and his rich friends.

About the financial regulations, Trump doesn't even have a plan.
From his own words: every new regulation must mean two are replaced. (From his weekly preaching video)
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1243203959082375&id=1220332944702810

Any regulation? He doesn't care?

And why does it start 5 min before his face even shows up?!

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/30/myanmar-of-aung-san-suu-kyi-adviser-raises-fears-of-unrest

And things in Burma aren't going too well at the moment either.

Yes, that article firmly came under "tell people what they want and hope they believe you".

As opposed to "reflect what people actually want."

Waiting for a new tweet from Trump. Picturing him ranting and pacing while FLOTUS sits in bed nodding "yes dear, yes dear..."