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Don't put the phone down on this thread. Treat it with respect. It's the official Trump thread 8

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amispartacus · 02/02/2017 19:39

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2843068-The-official-Trump-thread-Its-true-It-is-No-its-not-The-President-said-it-is

Just to remind you that Trump put the phone down on had a heated conversation with the Australian PM

Has put Iran on notice

Threatened UC Berkeley with withdrawal of funds if they 'promote violence'

Said something about troops and Mexico

Sean Spicer currently lying talking to the press corps

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Weedsnseeds1 · 03/02/2017 16:32

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38852210?client=ms-android-motorola
This doesn't sound too promising either

Lweji · 03/02/2017 16:38

How many Constitutions are there?

A Closer Look

Lweji · 03/02/2017 16:50

Who wanted a summary?
This is the second week, although it's missing the travel ban protests.

cozietoesie · 03/02/2017 17:00

Interesting and valid points.

Here is some more of the piece:

....Too often in my experience on the left, people think names don’t matter as much as ideas and plans of action. Names, they think, are just public relations and packaging, which by definition makes them both superficial and dishonest. If you think this, you could not be more wrong. Names matter. They communicate intention and vision and ambition. And what I understand to be the leading contender for the name of this movement is terrible on every count.

We’ll get back to that. But first: I don’t remember out of which mouth I first heard the words “Tea Party movement,” but I do remember that as soon as I heard those words I thought: uh-oh. That is one killer name. What American doesn’t like the Boston Tea Party? Its coding couldn’t be clearer: We are the true patriots, rising up against tyranny. The name itself makes a person want to belong, pick up the phone, start emailing. Loads of people are going to want to join this.

It accomplished the trick the right almost always accomplishes with names, which is to position itself as the majority, the normal people, the ones defending what’s right and moral. Take, well, Moral Majority. Yes, I disliked every single thing they ever did. But man, that was another great name.

On the left, things have usually been more straightforward. The labor movement, the civil rights movement, the women’s movement. Fine, fine, and fine. They’re descriptive, and they all did a very good job of communicating intention, vision, and ambition to middle America.

There are two great left-movement names of recent vintage. The older of the two is MoveOn. It started life in 1998 as an online petition for Americans to sign who wanted to “move on” from the very unpopular impeachment of President Clinton. It was strong, assertive, optimistic, and crystal clear.

The other is Black Lives Matter, which started as a hashtag after George Zimmerman’s acquittal in the Trayvon Martin case. It took off, and no wonder. It communicates everything in those three words, which even have a little poetry to them. Do you remember seeing the words spray-painted across Confederate memorial statuess_ in the South? As examples of impromptu art striking blows against the empire, those images were as gripping as some similar ones from Prague in 1968.

So now let’s circle back to the matter of what to name this movement. There is one effort afoot, started by former Democratic congressional staffers, called Indivisible. They published an online guide to resisting Trumpismm and got a piece on thee Timeses^ op-ed pagee, and apparently there are Indivisible chapters all over the place.

That’s great. Indivisible is a good name for an online action resource, but it isn’t really what you would name a movement. I have some friends who are involved in these movement-naming conversations, and they seem to suggest that the leading contender right now is The Resistance. This is understandable, since the movement started out as a resistance movement against Trump. But it is a catastrophically horrible name for a movement, which sends all the wrong signals.

First, it’s defensive. It positions the people within the movement as the minority. Resisters are by definition a small and hardy band. No! We’re the majority. He got 46 percent of the popular vote and finished second. Any name should strive to remind regular, apolitical Americans of that fact. He is a Too often in my experience on the left, people think names don’t matter as much as ideas and plans of action. Names, they think, are just public relations and packaging, which by definition makes them both superficial and dishonest. If you think this, you could not be more wrong. Names matter. They communicate intention and vision and ambition. And what I understand to be the leading contender for the name of this movement is terrible on every count.

Second, it’s angry. People on the left always want to think of themselves as fighting the power. But that’s wrong for this moment. Our side needs to convey optimism, communicate that we plan to win this fight.
Third, it’s weak. Resistance members throughout history are some of the noblest people who’ve ever lived. They die nobly and romantically. But they die. They get shot by people who have more guns. Occasionally they win one, but after like 30 years in prison, like the African National Congress.

Third, it’s weak. Resistance members throughout history are some of the noblest people who’ve ever lived. They die nobly and romantically. But they die. They get shot by people who have more guns. Occasionally they win one, but after like 30 years in prison, like the African National Congress....

Just for thought.

cozietoesie · 03/02/2017 17:02

My apologies for the rather eccentric formatting. My device has a mind of its own on these matters. Smile

BagelGoesWalking · 03/02/2017 17:02

I love Seth Myers, Stephen Colbert and Samantha Bee

Formerpigwrestler9 · 03/02/2017 17:04

Topple Trump
Trump the chump

BiglyBadgers · 03/02/2017 17:15

I think she has some good points. But she is still making the mistake of thinking of this as something that has a single centre. This is a movement of its time and is different to ones that have come before in that it is not a centre led movement with a single group leading the charge. The issue about the different demonstrations and Owen Jones refusing to come to the one tomorrow shows this clearly.

A name will not be decided and imposed in this movement. It will come as a sort of disorganised consensus reached by social media group think. It will mean some people won't like it and it may not be the best marketing strategy, but that's how it is. This is a movement formed and enacted in social media and it will live and grow by the rules and principles of any social media meme or viral campaign.

You cannot try and impose the structure and rules of previous movements. If you do you risk fragmenting and breaking up the fragil and unique consensus that has been formed here.

MayhemandMadness01 · 03/02/2017 17:19

A knob called Trump.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 03/02/2017 17:23

hahahaha@Trump
facepalm@Trump

originalmavis · 03/02/2017 17:29

OK I'm getting fed up with amateur hour.

The children have had their fun playing President and Politicians, can we have the grown ups put back in charge now please?

BiglyBadgers · 03/02/2017 17:30

François Hollande leads attacks on Donald Trump at EU summit
www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/03/francois-hollande-attacks-donald-trump-eu-summit

Chippednailvarnishing · 03/02/2017 17:33

Well bugger Florida, I'm off to Lithuania on holiday. There castles are much more yuge and bigly than Disney's.

Destinysdaughter · 03/02/2017 17:33

Interesting points about the name. I quite like The Resistance, reminds me of the French Resistance, fighting the Nazis, but get the points above. I'm sure an appropriate name will emerge eventually, there's lots of creative pp out there as we've already seen!

amispartacus · 03/02/2017 17:42

Watching Live stream conference now

I wonder if the journalists switch off at the start when Spicer just says what he thinks is wrong with the old administration.

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Weedsnseeds1 · 03/02/2017 17:42

chippednail I have to say I thought the same watching that video, it looks great!

GingerIvy · 03/02/2017 17:43

They're doing press briefings LIVE on facebook now - to bypass the media that were saying they were going to start taping them and playing them later due to the misinformation.

Newsweek ‏*@Newsweek* 30s31 seconds ago
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Sean Spicer: The President will do his second Facebook Live event at 5pm tonight. Watch the press briefing live:

woman12345 · 03/02/2017 17:44

deblet www.plannedparenthood.org in US
and in NI www.justgiving.com/abortion-supportnetwork

GingerIvy · 03/02/2017 17:48

Dear god, they are STILL banging on about that wall!!!

cozietoesie · 03/02/2017 17:51

Good points, well made, Bigly. I suspect, though, that the underlying message is that there's no need to convince the 'existing groups' - of any description. (Is there not some old saying that 'You can't reason people out of something they were not reasoned into?')

Those who need to be reached are not those who already believe - whatever it is that they do believe - it Is those who simply don't know.

This is not some game. (As if anyone here, thought it was.) It's real. It's happening and happening now.

Deejoda · 03/02/2017 17:52

I have been cheered up considerably by the EU second videos...so humourous and also makes me want to explore these countries as never before. Lithuania and Denmark, you are going on my travel listSmile

cozietoesie · 03/02/2017 17:54

Me also. Smile

amispartacus · 03/02/2017 17:56

No response to Trump's tweets on protestors

Ignores Russia question.

Friendly Skype questions....

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amispartacus · 03/02/2017 17:57

Through deed - bring people together Grin

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