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AIBU to think that people who don't have young children who park in parent and child spaces are selfish?

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Kjc105 · 01/02/2017 18:37

I was reading an article on the Daily Fail about a young couple with a baby who were left a note saying that parent and child spaces are for people with children (they were with their baby) but what annoyed me were people commenting under the article who were saying that they always park in parent and child even if there are other spaces available as they feel parents are entitled to too many things and why should they be inconvenienced by people having children. Is it me or is this totally selfish as the reason why those spaces are they are for the safety of the children, more space so other car doors aren't dented and closer to the store so it is generally safer for children and less likely for a child to be hit by a car. AIBU to think these people are selfish?

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PurpleDaisies · 01/02/2017 23:20

And the fact is, some other people have mobility issues and park in the wider spaces so they can get out of their cars.

Bettersleepoutdoors · 01/02/2017 23:20

I did not at any point syate or suggest that P&C spaces were "equivalent" to disabled spaces.
Please Be more prudent before misquoting me for your own amusement.

PurpleDaisies · 01/02/2017 23:22

By stating that you had never parked in a blue badge space so people without children shouldn't park in p and c spaces you were giving the two comparable status.

Whatdidyousaaaaay · 01/02/2017 23:23

I agree with gamerchick! Move these spaces to the bottom of the car park. I use them when I have the kids with me doesn't bother me if we're not near the entrance. What is annoying are the over-entitled users who dump their trollies at these bays so the next parent has to negotiate around it.

arethereanyleftatall · 01/02/2017 23:23

What I don't get about these weekly p&c parking spaces threads is this -
Everybody, including the op in this instance, repeatedly states it's absolutely fine for any person with disabilities to park in these spaces. Of course it is.
And that the issue is with the able bodied NT adults, with able bodied NT passengers, who use these spaces.
But the thread goes off on a tangent by posters with disabilities repeating why they should park there. But, of course you can park there.

Has anyone got any decent, non selfish reasons, why able bodied NT adults with no children, transporting no one with disabilities or mobility issues, should park in these spaces?

Bettersleepoutdoors · 01/02/2017 23:23

No. Youre making shit up to suit your agenda

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/02/2017 23:24

I have never, ever in the entire history of my going out in my car far and wide across the UK come across a car park wherethedisabled spaces are full.

Good for you. As a disabled person I can tell you I have many times. This evening for starters.

PurpleDaisies · 01/02/2017 23:24

Have you missed the posts from better arethereanyleft?

Spikeyball · 01/02/2017 23:25

Everybody hasn't said it is fine for people with disabilities to park in the spaces.

PurpleDaisies · 01/02/2017 23:25

Well, if my agenda is to be compassionate towards disabled people and not get pissed off when they park in p and c spaces, I won't apologise for that.

Thank you and goodnight.

Bettersleepoutdoors · 01/02/2017 23:26

Because i also stated i dont park in the staff bays.
But ignore that as it doesnt feed your desire to describe me as disablist just because i think that people shouldnt use a P&C space unless they should

Bettersleepoutdoors · 01/02/2017 23:27

Wtf?

Dawndonnaagain · 01/02/2017 23:29

Everybody, including the op in this instance, repeatedly states it's absolutely fine for any person with disabilities to park in these spaces.
No they haven't.
Everybody hasn't said it is fine for people with disabilities to park in the spaces.

No they haven't.
There are a couple of posters on this thread who have explicitly stated that we have our own spaces, and should leave theirs alone.

flamingnoravera · 01/02/2017 23:32

Since discovering here on MN that they are not enforceable, I now use them at b and q on a Monday morning when it's chucking down with rain and there are 29 empty p&c spaces near the door. I am not selfish, I am dry.

astormgivenflesh · 01/02/2017 23:32

My favourite arguments are those who say 'we had to manage without x, y or z so you should too!!'

Ok, well ppl used to manage without cars, medicine, electricity, 1/4 kids died before their 5th birthday, everyone died of polio etc etc - where does it end?! Things change for a reason. Having a baby is tough, these spaces are seemingly insignificant things that make a significant difference to an exhausted parent who can't just leave the baby at home and who needs a bit of extra space to move about. If you're a self entitled, selfish ass who parks there to make a point that they aren't 'legally enforceable' and to send a message that you don't give a shit, then go ahead - the only person who looks bad is you imo

arethereanyleftatall · 01/02/2017 23:32

Unless I misunderstood, and my apologies if so, I thought they were referring to when there were empty bb spaces?

Bettersleepoutdoors · 01/02/2017 23:36

Purple
I am so pissed off at your unjust targetting of me on this thread.
Leave me the fuck alone.

Dawndonnaagain · 01/02/2017 23:40

Unless I misunderstood, and my apologies if so, I thought they were referring to when there were empty bb spaces
Even so, as I've stated, in my local Tesco, the P&C are nearer to the shop than the BB spaces. I therefore will always park in the nearer P&C spaces. It's easier for dd in a wheelchair, easy for dd2 who has EDS and also has a blue badge but can walk a short distance albeit in severe pain.

Francinelle01 · 01/02/2017 23:40

In my opinion people without children who use them are being selfish / lazy. If I see someone do it I challenge them. Granted there isn't much point because if they're going to do it in the first place they clearly aren't going to care what other people think. Although one person did get back in their car and move it. The spaces do serve a practical purpose and I would be more than happy if they put them at the back of the car park.

Dawndonnaagain · 01/02/2017 23:42

I am neither selfish nor lazy Francinelle, perhaps you'd like to qualify your statement.

arethereanyleftatall · 01/02/2017 23:58

Dawn - then your local tesco are numptys. Maybe I'm naive but I can't imagine many people tutting at your family using a p&c space. There must be far more who don't, but I guess it's normal to focus on the one twat.

Catlady1976 · 02/02/2017 00:01

dawn blue badge trumps everything.

Dawndonnaagain · 02/02/2017 00:02

arethereany Yes, they're numpties. We've been asking/begging along with groups for years for them to change it. They lie, every single time. The lies work on rotation: 1) We don't own the car park. 2) We'll have management look at it and get in touch. 3) Yes, we'll sort it out in the next six months and then back to number one again! I wish I were joking. We've done Facebook , twitter, the lot.

TheFairyCaravan · 02/02/2017 00:17

These threads are getting worse.

What is wrong with people? P&C spaces are not a necessity, they're something handy if they're available but for they're not park in another space and crack on. How do you all cope at the swimming pool, hospital, council car parks, etc? There's not P&C spaces there.

I use them when the BB spaces are full which they very often are. In some car parks they are nearer to the door than the BB spaces so I use them. Every step I take makes me want to cry so I need to be as near as I can.

Mainly I do my shopping, for almost everything, online because the world is becoming smaller for disabled people and I can't be doing with the hassle when I go out. At Christmas 3 out of the 4 disabled bays in one shop were full of cars with kids in. The one woman I reminded it was a BB space said she knew it was but there were no child ones and I was selfish and should share. We can't use buses or trains without mummies moaning, we have to share toilets, I get pushed and shoved and huffed and puffed at for not moving fast enough. It's easier to stay in.

SpartacusWoman · 02/02/2017 00:22

@dawndonnaagain

I recognise your name from many threads on similar discussions, and I'm sorry for the horrible attitudes you've had over the various threads on here, and also for the crap you and your family have experienced in real life.

It must get so frustrating to have to keep making the same arguments for your DDs right to use services and utilities that you've campaigned and fought for to enable her to take part in society. I can't imagine the toll it must take on you and I think you're brilliant for doing it over and over again, I just wished you didn't have to Flowers