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The official Trump thread. It's true. It is. No it's not. The President said it is

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amispartacus · 31/01/2017 23:05

Because 24 hours is a long time in US politics

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2841897-Trump-thread-6

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squishysquirmy · 01/02/2017 14:21

that £60 billion to leave figure.... that's not new news, is it? I am sure I can remember hearing warnings about this (or at least a very high number, if not that exact figure before). In fact I specifically remember some smug brexiteer on the radio confidently dismissing the idea, and declaring that in fact the EU would probably pay us because we're the bestest, rule Britannia, etc etc.

nicenewdusters · 01/02/2017 14:22

Just another one adding thanks for this and all previous threads. I've been able to have good humoured, rational discussions with a couple of the "well I agree with what he's doing, the whole immigration thing is out of control" types, because I had some facts and arguments to hand.

A good, solid little known fact is like a full stop sometimes. I remember years ago telling my Daily Mail loving ex-FIl that the vast majority of people who claimed housing benefit were in fact in paid employment. I can still see his face now Grin.

amispartacus · 01/02/2017 14:23

I was very pleased I got it right on her last answer - she is so predictable.

Always has a go at Corbyn so it will make the headlines.

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drspouse · 01/02/2017 14:24

Are people still hoping that some Republicans will vote against Gorsuch? I think they only need 3 or something?

amispartacus · 01/02/2017 14:24

A good, solid little known fact is like a full stop sometimes

Grin
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amispartacus · 01/02/2017 14:31

Mental mind fuck - when someone mentions Islam is a violent religion, just ask them about MEN and the levels of male violence in the world.

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amispartacus · 01/02/2017 14:51

From the Guardian

"Usually the excuse given for inviting these people is expediency, not sincere friendship. Saudi Arabia, Russia and China have long been presented to both Britons and Americans as consistent violators of human rights. Saudi Arabia hates women and supports extremism. Russia is anti-liberal, aggressive and hates LGBT people. China is belligerent and treats dissenters harshly. We’re taught that they’re undemocratic and that dealing with them is an unfortunate reality of international politics and because of that the British public do not feel able to criticise them.

But while British governments practise diplomacy with all manner of world leaders we’re constantly reminded that one thing makes the US different: we have a special relationship. When May visited the White House a week after Trump’s inauguration she made clear how close the two countries are in terms of history, politics and shared values. Not only that, she described her personal appreciation for the new president’s success and vision. Britain is close to the US and the two countries do have a great deal in common – that’s precisely why so many people have come out in anger here at Trump’s policies and our own government’s lack of criticisms for them."

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amispartacus · 01/02/2017 14:59

The Guardian on the Supreme Court

Recall that once the ban came into force, and would-be arrivals started being detained at or deported from US airports, several federal judges rapidly issued court orders demanding a “stay” or halt to the proceedings. In the normal run of things, the instant such a legal ruling was issued, the policy would come to a stop. Because the law is paramount, the court’s word should have been decisive

But that’s not how it played out last weekend. Even after the judges had spoken, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) staff continued to enforce Trump’s executive order. CBP officers kept lawyers from speaking to detainees, even after a court judgement had said they could.

When elected congressmen and women called and asked for information, the CBP put the phone down on them. And, even after the court rulings, the White House insisted that the executive order still stood

The significance of this is enormous. It means that the executive – in the form of both the White House and the Customs and Border Protection agency – was refusing to bow to the judiciary. That position was perhaps articulated best by the CBP officer who, when asked by two members of Congress who exactly he was reporting to, answered, “Donald J Trump”.

This is not how a country governed by the rule of law – rather than the rule of men – operates. In authoritarian societies, in a dictatorship, you might expect a border guard to say he obeys the orders of the supreme leader rather than the courts, but that is not what the US constitution demands.

It is why the implementation of the refugee ban was not just morally repugnant – witness press secretary Sean Spicer’s defence of the detention of a five-year-old child – but also chilling. And it is why many commentators were raising the prospect of a constitutional crisis

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-us-supreme-court-constitution

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woman12345 · 01/02/2017 15:08

TheDrsDocMartens think a lot of us are on DM active duty.

Put this on another thread, but hope it's OK to put here too.
Did anyone notice that she said in HOC:
'While I condemn the coup in Turkey'
This coup in July, happened at a time when TV stations were able to broadcast it live, strangely.
Even the Daily Heil and Express noticed this.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693729/Did-Erdogan-STAGE-coup-based-Turkish-cleric-facing-extradition-botched-rebellion-claims-president-orchestrated-plot-justify-clampdown-civil-rights.html
www.express.co.uk/news/world/690520/Turkey-coup-Erdogan-set-up-military-staged-tighten-Islamist-grip-power
Has she just, in the HOC admitted knowing that this coup was in fact umm not one?
What does that make her visit now?
The great world coup tour
?

cozietoesie · 01/02/2017 15:14

I'm sorry, woman. I don't understand the point that you were making by the bolding. Could you explain? (My brain is probably fuddled.)

amispartacus · 01/02/2017 15:18

While I condemn the coup in Turkey

While I condemn the attempted coup in Turkey

Freudian slip?

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GingerIvy · 01/02/2017 15:19

CBS News ‏*@CBSNews* 9s9 seconds ago
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Senate panel bypasses Democratic boycott, approves HHS, Treasury picks cbsn.ws/2jD56zU

GingerIvy · 01/02/2017 15:19

Hi all. Catching up a bit! Whew!

GingerIvy · 01/02/2017 15:21

The Guardian ‏*@guardian* 1m1 minute ago
More
It may only take 3.5% of the population to topple a dictator – with civil resistance | Erica Chenoweth
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/01/worried-american-democracy-study-activist-techniques?CMP=twt_gu

woman12345 · 01/02/2017 15:25

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38794587

Ok, so I found it on the inlayer, 23 minutes 57 in.
She said :
"We had condemned the coup"

Does one normally condemn coups?
Don't you normally congratulate governments on successfully putting down a coup?
Does that mean she knew if was a fake coup orchestrated by Ordogun?

Has she just been on a coup tour?
Are we allowed to say coup? Grin

After 23.6,16, 9.11.16 (yikes it's 9.11!)

ZebraOwl · 01/02/2017 15:31

Some cheering news:

The Texan Mosque that was the victim of an arson attack? Well their local synagogue are letting them worship there (as in, have given them a key); and $900,000 (£717,000) has been raised so far for the rebuilding fund.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/victoria-islamic-centre-mosque-fire-texas-jews-give-key-synagogue-muslims-worship-gofundme-a7556331.html

BigBadgers · 01/02/2017 15:31

Well, there goes the senate. There is no stopping him now if they will simply ignore anyone who does not vote the way they want. Here is an extract from the article ginger linked about about the HHS and treasury picks

The Senate Finance Committee on Wednesday approved President Trump’s picks for Health and Treasury secretaries after Republicans decided to suspend the panel’s rules and vote without any Democrats present.

MoonriseKingdom · 01/02/2017 15:33

From Facebook Grin

The official Trump thread. It's true. It is. No it's not. The President said it is
GrouchyKiwi · 01/02/2017 15:33

Signing in to new thread.

Crazy that the Republicans can just vote to change the rules on confirmation. Wonder if it has ever been done before.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/02/2017 15:38

Had an email from Stand Up to racism. Next wednesday 8th is going to be a day of action and they say
"In London we will be building a wall outside the US Embassy at 9am on the day (8th Feb) in response to Trump's disgraceful decision to erect a border wall in an attempt to further scapegoat migrant communities."

I'm going to see if I can rearrange work to be there.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/02/2017 15:38

That's ace Zebra!!

Lweji · 01/02/2017 15:39

Yes to extreme vetting of US citizens. They have to demonstrate they do not support Trump.

squishysquirmy · 01/02/2017 15:39

So basically, there are checks and balances.
But attempting to apply those checks and balances is "unprecedented obstruction" (in the case of democratic senators) or "treacherous" (in the case of Sally Yates).
And therefore it is fine to ignore those checks and balances.

Lweji · 01/02/2017 15:40

vote without any Democrats present.

I think it needs to be asked why they were not there.

GingerIvy · 01/02/2017 15:41

And apparently Israeli people are exempt??

forward.com/news/breaking-news/361798/muslim-ban-doesnt-apply-to-israeli-citizens-born-in-affected-countries/