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To report my colleague for hitting me

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QueenyLaverne · 31/01/2017 21:43

Colleague (quite substantial guy) who's job is to bring supplies up to our floor, brought some stuff up. He came to find me, I was on break, to tell me and did so in a very sarcastic way. Not unusual, he is a sarky bastard and we don't like him much, but hey ho we tolerate him and are nice to him. I jokingly pulled him up on it and said something like, 'oh, who do you think your talking to!' 'Laugh laugh' he said something else and I was holding a newspaper which I pretended to hit him with, it tapped him with as we were having banter.
He then comes at me and walloped me on my arm, it really hurt, my arm was still hurting at the end of my shift and I felt really quite tearful, not from the pain, (although it did really hurt) but more because I felt really violated.
Can you tell me if I'm being overly sensitive or if this is unacceptable behaviour and should be reported?
AIBU?

OP posts:
QueenyLaverne · 01/02/2017 00:24

I have had you and the OP personally attack me when I haven't done the same so, ya know, whining about reporting me doesn't make you look terribly sensible

I'd have to disagree about the personal attack, i merely offered you a solution to your angst......Wink

OP posts:
Italiangreyhound · 01/02/2017 00:25

sycamore54321 banter isn't bad. OP tapped him with a newspaper. It is not even clear that was intentional as it looked at first like it was going to be pretending to do it.

I think making out they both did something wrong is wrong. It's only looking wrong because of what happened subsequently.

If I pretended to tap a colleague with a newspaper and actually did tap him I might say 'oopse sorry'. If I did that would the colleague go to HR and report it?

No.

So how can they then use it as an reason for hitting/slapping the first person.

It's an excuse. It's probably very common for people overeating to things to say the first person 'made them do it.'

MakeMyWineADouble · 01/02/2017 00:27

I think people have got bogged down in size and gender. Ultimately a hit b with a paper b hit a with a open hand. We don't know bs feelings it's all speculation. If someone is making you feel upset/uncomfortable in the workplace the correct thing to do is report to an appropriate person. The advice stands for both! Ultimately in the situation it's likely both will be told it's inappropriate behaviour but by reporting a record is made so if there is any further inappropriate behaviour it can be managed appropriately ( hopefully if you have a decent hr department.)

ChocoChou · 01/02/2017 00:27

Sounds like you both have difficulties with boundaries at work to be honest... the force makes his a little more serious but the fact you claimed no one in the office likes him really makes me uneasy. I'd hate to work in an environment where a colleague knew 'no one liked me' as that would imply that I have been the subject of negative conversations. I might feel ganged up on, regardless of my size.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 01/02/2017 00:28

For the hard of understanding, imo

OP was in the wrong
He was in the wrong

Telling someone to fuck off is a personal attack

I'm sure many other people will come on and say that you should get the man locked up etc etc

HTH

bumsexatthebingo · 01/02/2017 00:28

I'm not sure if you've noticed op but quite a lot of people have asked whether the 'really, really hard wallop' from this huge man has left any mark and you've refused to answer. If you could post a pic of your arm maybe people could comment with a bit more accuracy about whether it was reasonable 'banter'.

QueenyLaverne · 01/02/2017 00:28

*She literally said in the OP that she humiliated him

'I said something like, 'oh, who do you think your talking to!' '*

Only after he had made a nasty/sarcastic comment about my being on break and that I should get up and get back on with my work.

This is what started the whole thing.

OP posts:
BellaMoon · 01/02/2017 00:28

I find it extremely hard to digest men are bigger/stronger therefore women are smaller/weaker comments. build, strength or gender does not give carte blanche for unreasonable behaviour!

I found it hard not to comment here as, within my job, i carry out fact funding investigations into HR related issues.

I hope you take these comments in the spirit that they are intended OP, in that i hope they are helpful and provide some insight.

Firstly, you feel hard done by, no one can argue with your feelings so take them as granted. But please be objective enough to know that your emotions have played a part in the language you use when writing your post.

you have used a lot of emotive words which, naturally based on how you are feeling, assume you as the victim and your colleague as the aggressor.

I would urge you to report the "incident". as you cannot report "him" without telling the story!

Please take a few moments and perhaps write a paragraph or two noting only facts. take out moral stance, emotions, background issues. so it would go along the lines of (based on your post)...

colleague approached me with a work related matter. i did not appreciate his tone. i stated "who do you think you are talking to" and made contact with his person using a newspaper i was holding. colleague then made contact with my person with his open hand. end of interaction.

force is relative to the individual. in this instance, if you can be objective as possible here, we aren't talking about you extending a friendly, warm handshake/embrace and being thumped in return. equally, would you have been as perturbed if you'd made contact with the newspaper and being upset if he'd hugged you in return? each interaction is a clear invasion of your personal space EXACTLY the same as the newspaper making contact with him. hence why force/intention is clearly relative to each individual what they find acceptable.

As a side note, i have a colleague who has a
diagnosis on the autistic spectrum. he informs everyone who is new to the team that he does not understand social ques as sarcasm AKA banter is simply outwit his understanding/recognition. he is a very literal thinker, "take a seat and i'll be with you in a second" literally means 1 second to him. is there any possibility that your colleague cannot/did not read the social ques of your "banter"?

I also have a colleague who trains in a boxing gym. her reactions are therefore lighting speed, i once accidentally gave her a fright from behind a doorway, without a milliseconds thought, she lashed out and slapped my arm due to fright. it was bloody sore, neither of our faults, wrong place wrong time!

jeez, sorry for the long post Blush i hope you are able to resolve the matter one way or another.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 01/02/2017 00:30

But it wasn't me that said that OP so I'm not sure why you have decided to tell me to fuck off - I'm sure there are other posters who have dared to disagree with you SmileGrin

ChocoChou · 01/02/2017 00:32

Have you got a bruise, OP?

P00pchute · 01/02/2017 00:32

The OP stated that the man addressed her with a sarcastic remark, and she said 'ooh who do you think you're talking to,' in a joking manner. She also said that he often makes sarcastic remarks to the staff, and that is why is is not generally liked.

I don't understand how a response like that to a snidey remark, could be equated with verbal humiliation?

bumsexatthebingo · 01/02/2017 00:34

Good luck with that question ChocoChou but it's been ignored for 13 pages now so I wouldn't hold your breath for an answer!

P00pchute · 01/02/2017 00:34

Livia - because you called her a twat, and said you couldn't give a shit about her? Probably that tbh.

WayfaringStranger · 01/02/2017 00:35

We all have our perspectives. This is how I see it...

OP was unprofessional for bantering in the work place. Silly but not an assualt nor gross misconduct.
The man in question assaulted her and probably committed gross misconduct.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 01/02/2017 00:36

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Oswin · 01/02/2017 00:37

Livia you called op a twat she said feel free to fuck off yet ops in the wrong,

Yeah fucking right.

P00pchute · 01/02/2017 00:37

Oh cool, semantics.

Chloe84 · 01/02/2017 00:38

You're right DJBaggySmalls

I made a generalisation there.

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bumsexatthebingo · 01/02/2017 00:39

What would you call adults 'bantering' by hitting each other at work? I wouldn't call them particularly mature, sensible or professional. Sounds like the behaviour of a couple of teenagers.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 01/02/2017 00:40

If I call someone a twat - that's a insult

If I say someone is 'acting like a twat' it isn't the same thing

And I said I didn't give a shit about either of them as in I wasn't on either side - as I have explained about a million times.

Lots of people struggling tonight... Grin

Italiangreyhound · 01/02/2017 00:40

MakeMyWineADouble "Ultimately a hit b with a paper b hit a with a open hand." you are using the same word, 'hit' which the OP did not do.

You are equating one form of physical movement and contact with another. Words have meanings.

I hope no HR department would ever say that they were both behaving inappropriately! Is banter to now be outlawed!

ChocoChou you are conjecturing who has spoken about what, you have no idea if this man knows everyone doesn't like him! " I might feel ganged up on, regardless of my size." If you did feel ganged up on at work would you start slapping people? I am guessing the answer is no, so please do not make excuses for people who do.

bumsexatthebingo I am shocked you are asking the OP to post proof of her injury. That is not on! If she wants to do that she will.

BellaMoon what you suggest is very sensible but I find your conclusions drawn on this and the other things you state most worrying. You can bascially excuse anything if you talk about it the right way. A man slapping a woman's arm, your female colleague slapping you.

"neither of our faults, wrong place wrong time!" No, her fault she slapped you. The above situation, his fault, he slapped her. See it is not about sex at all it is about force and whether it is reasonable, IMHO.

IfOnlyIKnewThen · 01/02/2017 00:40

What a depressing thread. So all these people justifying this man's behaviour would slap someone back who tapped them with a newspaper. I use the tube in London everyday and witness people purposely and forcibly pushing so they can get on, and whilst I've seen arguments never have I seen someone slapped on any body part for doing this...because it would be disproportionate.

If my husband reacted in this way not just to me, but any female he'd be an ex. I can't imagine wanting to share my life and be intimate with a man that treated a woman so vilely, but more than that I would need to send a clear message to my daughter and son about this behaviour being totally unacceptable.

I can't believe the posts on here - no doubt some of you are raising sons to think that this kind of response is proportionate and others would tell their daughters that it was their fault and deserved it.

For context my husband is 6'3 and in his line of work he has been assaulted by men and women he has never once said he felt like hitting the woman back...the men on the other hand now that's a different story. But even with the men he can't hit them because he's working and that would be unprofessional and a sackable offence. He always has to report it to the police.

If OP's colleague felt violated, humiliated, frighted and or assaulted he should have reported her at the very least to management or the police if some posters' alternative facts are to be beileved.

OP please report this man your instincts about him are correct.

Oswin · 01/02/2017 00:40

So man is rude to op.
Op responds jokingly, doesn't confront.
Bats the paper at him, brushes him.
He slaps he hard on the arm.

Yeah but she was verbally abusive and assaulted him.

Fucking absolute bullshit.

Italiangreyhound · 01/02/2017 00:41

P00pchute "verbal humiliation" if they were both being sarky, as it seems, that would follow for them both and he started it with a comment first.

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