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Trump thread 6

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 18:52

And it's only been a day since no 5

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cozietoesie · 31/01/2017 21:24

Who knows, maggie. Maybe, insulated in the WH and surrounded by 'his people', it's all gone to his head.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:24

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GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:24

CNN International ‏*@cnni* 48s49 seconds ago
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EU President Donald Tusk described US President Donald Trump as a "threat" in a letter to European Union members cnn.it/2jS7PJu

BigBadgers · 31/01/2017 21:25

I've been trying to get my head around the cyber security stuff. I may be reading this wrong but it seems like a bit of a power struggle between homeland security and the military. My simplistic understanding is that this order would have given more access and responsibility for cyber security to the military. This was viewed by some as downgrading the importance of homeland security in this area. Needless to say homeland security was a bit upset. Now, as homeland security have been the ones backing trump up with the whole immigration ban, I would guess upsetting them would be a bad idea for trump/bannon (Trumpannon?).

I would be interested if anyone else has read this stuff and has a different view of it. I did find it rather confusing to be honest, but really want to know what the deal is.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:26

Charlotte Silver ‏*@CharESilver* 4h4 hours ago
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Just spoke w/ an immigration atty in LA. Told me that no one is receiving service of process of 3 court orders that apply to LAX: NY, MA, LA

cozietoesie · 31/01/2017 21:27

You don't diss your Praetorian Guard.

maggiethemagpie · 31/01/2017 21:27

It could be an entirely subconscious self fulfilling prophecy. He perceives a threat, treats it as a threat, it becomes a threat. But he's just projecting his own perception of threat on the world and ends up manifesting it. Oooh I'd love to get him on the couch!

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:28

Charlotte Silver ‏*@CharESilver* 4h4 hours ago
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Now CBP/DHS in LAX have three court orders that it should be in compliance with, but no agency has acknowledged these orders.
So imm. lawyers went to US Marshal, the enforcement branch of judiciary, asking them to serve orders to CBP, but they refused...
.. saying they were instructed by Office of the General Counsel to await instruction from the U.S. Attorney’s office.

So I presume this means quite a few are still detained an still have not had any access to a solicitor?

cozietoesie · 31/01/2017 21:29

Some people just enjoy ordering others around, I fear.

amispartacus · 31/01/2017 21:29

I love watching the Press briefing. There's 1 particular guy who is always near the front and is lovely to look at.

It's not the West Wing though.

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GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:30

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Donald Trump's Celebrity Apprentice replacement is the latest to take aim at Muslim ban
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-new-celebrity-apprentice-host-arnold-schwarzenegger-donald-trump-muslim-ban-a7554851.html

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:31

Bit irritated at ol' Arnie as he himself is an immigrant, is he not?

amispartacus · 31/01/2017 21:31

You don't diss your Praetorian Guard

Dictatorship 101

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GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:31

Sorry - he doesn't agree with the ban - but only really because it was "poorly implemented."

Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 21:32

Ginger, that state dept memo article was fascinating and shows that pp are v concerned and also that protests do have an impact.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:32

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JUST IN: DOJ: Florida man convicted by a federal jury of attempting to use weapon of mass destruction and providing material support to ISIS

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:33

Destinys - yep. I'm heartened by how he is slowly coming up against more and more obstacles.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:36

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Does everybody understand how big it is that the U.S. Marshal service has been ordered to ignore judicial orders & answer to the executive?
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If reports that US Marshalls are not serving Court orders are true, this is basically the end of independent courts

BigBadgers · 31/01/2017 21:36

WARNING: I am now going to speculate wildly on things we can probably never know.

I wonder if part of the reason we find Trumps motives so confusing is that he is being tugged about by a number of people who each have different agendas.

Trump himself is basically motivated by self interest and the need for power and adulation. Then you have Bannon who seems like some sort of terrifying far-right anarchist who wants to bring down the government. Pence of course has his right-wing christian fundamentalist agenda. Kushnar, well I am not sure what Kushnar wants, there is the rumour he is the Russian link but he might just have a good old fashioned hunger for power and cold hard cash.

All of these men are putting their own EOs in front of trump and putting their own spin on events. I am not convinced that they are a stable, single alliance, but more a group whose agendas have run in parallel and have found it in their interests to support each other for now.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:36

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Why Trump’s Executive Order is Likely to be Permanent for Iranians - www.niacouncil.org/trumps-executive-order-likely-permanent-iranians/ … #MuslimBan

BigBadgers · 31/01/2017 21:39

JUST IN: DOJ: Florida man convicted by a federal jury of attempting to use weapon of mass destruction and providing material support to ISIS

...but is he an immigrant? That is what we all want to know isn't it. I am betting a number of news companies will say he is even if he was born and raised in Disney Land.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:40

Um....

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amispartacus · 31/01/2017 21:40

Sean Spicer - it's not a ban
Trump - it is

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Destinysdaughter · 31/01/2017 21:41

Everyone in America is a fucking immigrant!

(Apart from Native Americans, obvs Smile)

GingerIvy · 31/01/2017 21:41

USA TODAY ‏*@USATODAY* 48s48 seconds ago
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The far-fetched idea of California seceding from the nation took a tiny step forward this week.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/31/calexit-can-start-collecting-signatures/97278566/?hootPostID=a1e8a9bf2925ef3ea92df54a8c4c879c