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Trump thread 6

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 18:52

And it's only been a day since no 5

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 22:36

Hopkins was asking why Muslim refugees flee to Christian countries. What she completely forgot was the real statistics - MOST refugees stay close to home. These numbers are incredible. But these facts aren't heard.

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:36

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Beyond words. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/30/trump-says-all-is-going-well-on-immigration-order-amid-questions-and-confusion/?postshare=8201485809600185&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.d0a34af119d5

Destinysdaughter · 30/01/2017 22:37

Watching Spicer now. Why are right wingers so ugly? It's like the hate is etched on their face...

Abbylee · 30/01/2017 22:37

Mexicans cross into America and receive free healthcare. Not my family, we must pay or go without. It is the LAW and its a TAX. Mexicans do NOT have open borders INTO Mexico.
Taking time to stop people who are coming from countries who are considered a danger to the US until we can evaluate the system is not bad.

Countries have borders. Anyone who truly believes that borders are not good, remove the locks from your homes, post your passwords and enjoy the chaos.

Stuffofawesome · 30/01/2017 22:39

Just seen my 11 yr old dd on the local news at the demo. Wish it wasn't necessary

Birdandsparrow · 30/01/2017 22:40

Have they been there since before the election? Fuck, it'll blow their minds.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:41

www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?id=534C9526-C15C-48DB-958A-9BD7A84A65D9

Letter demanding clarification re EOs and DOJ/OLC had reviewed the EOs prior to being signed. Deadline 02 February 2017.

Ontopofthesunset · 30/01/2017 22:41

The US doesn't have open borders either. Some people enter illegally. That's the equivalent of someone breaking into my house, not of me leaving the door open.

ZebraOwl · 30/01/2017 22:43

Abbylee
I think you'll find it was the global economic collapse that did a number on the U.S. economy. Just a thought...

Quite what Obama's father's nationality has to do with the price of fish I don't know: it means he is of Kenyan ancestry, but he does not hold (& is not entitled to) British citizenship, nor does he hold Kenyan citizenship (they don't allow dual nationality).

It doesn't matter to whom Trump was speaking in that revolting conversation other than that it wasn't President Bush (either of them). It also doesn't matter that other people have said worse things. It was vile, mysoginistic & unstatesmanlike. Oh & essentially a confession of sexual assault. Small detail that. (Please don't start dragging President Clinton into this. I am fully aware of the allegations against him thank you - the salient point here, as raised by you, is the public conduct.)

You are aware that many of us have the capacity to apply critical thinking to Trump's actions as announced by him? And his antics on Twitter are... revealing? Dreadfully embarrassing for America, too.

However, I would adore to know how the liberal press (you do know in the 1930s it was the Jewish Press who were the Evil Liars, right? Just for a touch of perspective...) are creating such comprehensive Fake News.

You see, the utter shite being peddled during the election campaign could actually be unpicked or was blatantly fabulist - people just didn't want to hear it. But somehow, clearly evidence-based, reasoned & corroborated reporting, is Fake News. The mind boggles. Clearly all media has some bias, but the mainstream news are not prone to making random shite up, because they get caught out. And then people don't believe them ever again.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:43

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This is your frequent reminder that Cotton blocked the nomination of a woman with cancer just to spite Obama.

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 22:43

Countries have borders. Anyone who truly believes that borders are not good, remove the locks from your homes, post your passwords and enjoy the chaos

Borders are good. Did you think that Trump was right to use the fear of violence, rape and murder to say that's why you need strong borders?

He got families of people killed by illegal immigrants to stand up. He is going to publish a list of crimes committed by illegal immigrants every week.

What message does that send out? He is using dog whistle politics. He is 'othering' illegal immigrants - do illegal immigrants carry out more rape and murder than US citizens? Will he be keeping America safe? Will he be doing any policies that will keep American women safe from American men? American children safe from American guns held legally by American men?

I doubt it.

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Peregrina · 30/01/2017 22:45

Mexicans cross into America and receive free healthcare.
I don't live in North America. Tell me, do you know any Mexicans who cross into America for free healthcare?

remove the locks from your homes,
It might surprise you, but there are a lot of communities in the UK where you don't need to lock your doors, you can trust your neighbours. We accidentally went out for 12 hours once leaving the front door wide open, and things were fine when we came back. I once left the key in the front door, and someone rang the bell, to tell me.

Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:45

Abby, you live in the US and don't know that you only get free healthcare if you hardly have an income?
If you think the US has open borders, do you know anyone who's got in? How easy was it?
Have you seen how many illegal immigrants were deported under Obama?
Have you seen those who die trying to get in the US?

Destinysdaughter · 30/01/2017 22:48

Political correspondent on Newsnight saying Trump's visit will go ahead in early June. Angry

ZebraOwl · 30/01/2017 22:48

(GingerIvy
Think the RTs are scary?

I basically got fangirled by A Famous Ballet Dancer when we met in person because of my Twitter account. [Mostly due to my cats, I suspect. They are damn cute.] This broke me so much I totally forgot the entire sodding mime she'd just taught us & I was meant to be performing for her. That was not at ALL awkward. Nooooooo...)

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:49

Nobody has said the medical issues/insurance issues in the states are ideal. I've said all along the cost of insurance is exorbitant. That wasn't Obama's fault - blame the insurance companies and those that lobby for them. Blame the pharmaceutical companies. Blame the government overall. But high medical costs/insurance costs have been around for a good 30 years, that's fact. The fact that those two are rising are not just down to government. There are a myriad of factors that kick into that.

I won't get into the argument about Mexico, as I'm pretty sure we won't agree, and you certainly are not going to change my mind, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

The last comment was just silly. My lock on my door has nothing to do with the border. A wall is a ridiculous idea. It's expensive, it's ugly, and it will destroy a lot of natural habitat and wildlife in the process. It's also not needed, there are walls/barriers already in place.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:49

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Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:51

Watch this film, Abby, then let us know how great US healthcare was before Obama.

Abbylee · 30/01/2017 22:53

We voted for Trump because we do not want to lose our homes for healthcare. The IRS has a website that explains how to take out a 2nd mortgage to pay taxes!! OMG!

GOP is trying to get a real healthcare plan in place. Trump is reaching out to Dems to help, who is talking to him???

Mexicans, Muslims, i dont care. I care about lower taxes, unemployment, affordable food and health insurance, peaceful race relations...things that Trump addressed in his campaign.

I used to be a ProChoice voter, but the economy is horrible here. I can not afford to vote for ideals any more. Celebrities/politicians/media have no idea what the middle class is struggling with: we are funding the poor, and getting taxed past reason for absolutely nothing in return. Our country's foundation is crumbling under the stress of supporting everyone.

Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:54

But, yes, Iran has fired a missile. Not the first this year, but well timed.
They are sending a message.

IrenetheQuaint · 30/01/2017 22:54

Oliver Letwin on Newsnight seems to be arguing for an entirely value-free foreign policy Confused

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 22:55

Mexicans, Muslims, i dont care. I care about lower taxes, unemployment, affordable food and health insurance, peaceful race relations...things that Trump addressed in his campaign

Are you being serious? Because there is an obvious answer to that statement.

How old are you? What recent history have you studied?

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ZebraOwl · 30/01/2017 22:55

GingerIvy
Honest to God it was mortifying. Slightly gratifying, once I was over the shock, but mostly "please let me sink through the studio floor into oblivion". I love dancing, just not so good with the idea of people watching me do so. The running-across-the-studio + wild hugging + exclamations of joy at meeting me + effusive compliments re: my tweeting shattered my happy illusion that clearly nobody would ACTUALLY be looking at ME, they would be watching my partner doing the mime for the bazillionth time. Mwerble.

Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:56

I care about lower taxes, unemployment, affordable food and health insurance, peaceful race relations...things that Trump addressed in his campaign.

He certainly addressed them. What are his solutions to each?

And, btw, unemployment is low. Lower than in many European countries, even.

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