to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

I do think politeness is a better way of educating people to your way of thinking though.

I can see both sides, and wish other people could too. The fucking rudeness of some people on the remaining side is astounding.
I say this as a remainer myself! How can you expect anyone to come round to your way of thinking if you just shout them down and call them names?!
You're more likely to get a "fuck you" attitude and THAT''S why the like of Leave and Trump are gaining power.

I would be willing to accept Brexit if someone, anyone, had a cogent, economically sound, well thought out vision for our future outside the EU.

Problem is, no-one does. ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE.

That is why I am still angry - I am afraid I don't see this as a "you have your opinion, I have mine" situation.

I see leave voters as having been driven at best by a fundamental lack of understanding of economics and at worst out and out racism.

I see leave voters as having voted for a future that is at best uncertain and at worst utterly diabolical.

Nothing I have read or seen in the months that has passed has convinced me otherwise.

As a lawyer with an interest in international trade law it breaks my heart to see learning and education sacrificed at the alter of Dacre and his paper for thick dickheads.

Trump is for a maximum of 8 years. Brexit is for the rest of my life. I will never ever stop being angry.

When life's really shit. You haven't got much to lose.

But then you discover you did have something to lose when life gets a hell of a lot shittier.

I honestly cannot see nor understand Leave's POV and it is not for want of trying.

I don't believe being rude to individual posters is the way forward. I however reserve the right to call the collective Leavers numpties

Sadly, though, I think you are right. Both sides showed shocking superiority complexes and an inability to listen to the other side in the run up. It's no wonder few people were swayed from their initial, Fail et al led Euro skepticism.

Say what you want, I don't believe you.

Who, me? Disbelieve me all you want. I can categorically state everything I own on it, I did vote remain.
I seem to be a small minority of people who can actually see both sides though and think it's something the world is truly lacking at the moment which is why we're in the mess we're in.

glitter I tried to be nice when explaining the trade things.

summer can you leave the U.K.? We probably will with the expected inflation and the crash of the pound.

glitteratzi I no longer expect to "educate" people to my way of thinking (what a patronising concept anyway!)
But as someone who has seen her family's life ripped to shreds in the past 7 months, please forgive me if I debate this on a real level???
I think we're kind of past a polite "pass me the cucumber sandwiches" at this stage...

Its sounds like democracy is only right when the decision goes your own way. I think you need to grow up and stop thinking your pov is paramount.

Its sounds like democracy is only right when the decision goes your own way

Yup, this is how it's definitely coming across now with all the trying to block it and delay it tactics.

There are 16 million people in Britain who voted to remain, and millions more who failed to back Brexit by not voting. They are entitled to express their views. That’s democracy. Get used to it.

Still angry too. Whoever it was who asked about effects being felt already, I've paid 300 Euro to a professional body in another EU member state and done lots of paperwork to ensure I have an EU recognised qualification post-Brexit, if mutual recognition of qualifications is not maintained for my sector. If I want to rely on that qualification post-Brexit, it will cost around 1600 Euro per year. Without it, I expect my job would move outside the UK eventually, or be done by someone qualified in the EU. DH's company used to get 40% of its work from Europe, but has had none since June.

I'm trying to see Leave's side. I really truely am. I want Leave to be right more than I've ever wanted anything. I want this bright future they keep vaguely hinting at to come true.

I just don't understand how leaving the EU will achieve a better life for myself and my children and no matter how many Leavers I ask, no one can give me a good, solid, feasible example of how my life will be better outside of the EU. They just tell me how much worse it would have been staying in the EU and give spurious reasons as to why such as an EU Army, an uncontrollable jaugernaut, unaccountable elite, blah, blah, blah.

Trump is for a maximum of 8 years. Brexit is for the rest of my life

If the UK is unable to function without the EU running it then we can all vote for a government that applies to rejoin the EU, in 8 years. I have a feeling most people think that will never happen because the UK will be quite successful at running the UK.

summer, user, fuckoff I thought I was all cried out at this stage. Clearly not. Off to bed and then to research our options again.
Loved this country until last June! Don't know how we'll break it to the kids that they're not British after all (certainly won't bother to renew their passports as they have 2 other more valuable ones).

There are 16 million people in Britain who voted to remain, and millions more who failed to back Brexit by not voting. They are entitled to express their views. That’s democracy. Get used to it

I disagree.

Remainers - absolutely should voice their concerns/hopes. We voted, we lost, but we still got out their and joined in.

The people who didn't vote at all? They can shut the hell up.

If it wasn't important enough for them to actually make their voice count when it really mattered then they can fuck off with trying to act all pissed off after the fact.

"block and delay tactics" - or as you might call it - "upholding the Rule of Law and sovereignty of Parliament" but you know - potato potarto.

I wish someone would set out the Leave argument properly. Not just why the EU is bureaucratic and in need of reform (it very much is) but why we will be richer and more prosperous outside it. How our children's lives will be better, how they will have increased opportunities and a better standard of living. How our society will grow and develop into a better version of itself.

I want to know how it is better to be on the outside of the EU than reforming from within. I am desperate to hear that argument, because then maybe i will feel a bit better.

I think what most Leave voters don't realise is that I desperately want you to be right. In fact, we need you to be right.

Fuckoff sadly not. Only qualified to practice law in England and Wales. But I am definitely looking for a way out.

The fucking rudeness of some people on the remaining side is astounding.
I say this as a remainer myself! How can you expect anyone to come round to your way of thinking if you just shout them down and call them names?!

Completely agree.

Ruralretreating that's really shit.

itsawonderfulworld sorry it's so shit.

I am hoping it dies a strangulated and slow bureaucratic death and we end up never leaving. AC Grayling still thinks it's one possibility.

Fuckoff Those that didn't vote weren't rooting for remain either were they? As they exercised their democratic right not to vote, one could say they weren't bothered either way.

Summer I was waiting for the Remain campaign to tell me categorically what the future would look like if we stayed in, with the voting changes to QMV, with further enlargement coming, and the complete unwillingness of the EU to reform, but no-one could.

I want to know how it is better to be on the outside of the EU than reforming from within. I am desperate to hear that argument, because then maybe i will feel a bit better

That's the thing, though, isn't it? As no-one has actually ever fully left the EU as it is now so no-one knows what's going to happen, bad or good.
So why all the doom and gloom? Nothing's happened yet. No-one knows HOW it's going to pan out.
It's unchartered territory. Crying and saying we're doomed is helping no-one.

No-one knows HOW it's going to pan out.

Which is precisely why people are angry. Leave threw away our future on what ifs and hope for the bests.

Things have happened! Does anyone understand how a market economy works? The pound is at a 33 year low. This means the price of goods, especially from within the EU have increased, the craving puns has triggered inflation - the real value of your money is decreasing. The cost of goods including food are increasing. The poor will be and are being hit the hardest.

Pension values have decreased for pensioners. Pensioners living abroad are now stuck with a newly shitty pound.

These things are happening and we haven't even left the EU.

Craving puns CRASHING POUND!

As I understand it in the EU we could only trade within ourselves. Ie only within the European market.
By leaving, we'd surely be broadening our options and be able to trade freely with any country we wanted (obviously dependent on whether they wanted to trade with us) as opposed to only those we were told we could trade with?
How can that be construed as a bad thing?
Shackling trade to a select number of countries I'd have thought would be more detrimental.

How could anyone possibly think that was true?

We have products from all around the world - from vegetables in the supermarket to clothes to manufactured products.

We can trade with those countries because of the trade agreements negotiated by the EU. Once we leave the EU we have to negotiate those deals again and by ourselves. Except this time we are not part of the largest(?) trading block in the world - we are a small country asking much larger countries/groups to do them a good deal. It will be a great negotiating position - oh yes, and we have no negotiators since the EU has handled that for us for so long.

We import an extremely significant proportion of our products and goods. If we need to renegotiate all trade agreements (whilst the pound is falling) prices are going to rise dramatically.

For those that think they are in the worst position already on what they have to lose the answer is a lot. Things can get significantly worse. Significantly.

"However, Britain's decision to leave the EU has driven down the value of the pound by up to 25% in just a few months, making everything we buy from abroad suddenly more expensive. That has already started to trigger an upward movement in inflation. The value of the pound just took a steep drop, and the relative value of the euro made a big jump, depending on how you look at it. Either way, the pound in your wages now buys less stuff than before if that stuff comes from Europe.

That portends a new era of inflation, and particularly food price inflation. Think about cheese and wine and fish.

Inflation affects us all, which is why this data suggests we're all about to start to get a bit poorer.

But it affects the poor more than the rich. Inflation shows up mostly in the prices of basics: food, fuel, clothing and various consumer goods. Those prices are a much smaller percentage of a wealthy person's weekly spending than a poor person's. (A pint of milk costs the same whether you're a millionaire or a pauper.)

So the Brexit inflation penalty will hit doubly hard: It's going to make everyone poorer, but some of us will get poorer faster than others."