To not know why mn has an issue with parking on the pavement?

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I have my driveway but the street I live in is quite long (has 3 postcodes) and there's always cars parked along the pavements.

I see it everywhere.

Who honestly has never parked on a pavement?

Why is it such an issue?

But are you getting that this is not an option for everybody AutumnMadness. And that despite your observation of "wheelchair users" in your area that pavement parking actually impedes on some people living their lives as they want to?

And my child is an adult btw.

Meh i park (part) on the pavement oçassionally. As long as there is space to get a wheelchair/buggy who cares, and i don't care if my car gets scratched by someone with nothing better to do than under estimate space as i own it out right, scratch it all you like it still goes.
I am meticulous about leaving enough space roadside for a fire engine engine to get through too.

MsPavlichenko, yes, of course it impedes some people living their lives as they want to. It's shit, but what is the alternative? The only way to get the cars off all pavements in my town is to make the whole town a car-free zone. This will also mean taking cars away from the disabled people who need them, preventing them from living their lives as they want to, just in a different way. I don't know what the solution is. My council is not about to build a series of massive underground car parks to clear the streets. The best solution that people employ here is pedestrians and cars sharing the roads and not doing twatty things like parking across house entrances and dropped curbs.

I feel like you must all live somewhere with narrower pavements. On my road, nearly everyone with more than one car parks two wheels on the kerb. I can walk side by side with a friend, both pushing buggies and still get passed.

I always put it down to cultural differences
So do I, an I'm English sometimes I think that Mumsnet has it's own culture on various issues: parking, transgender, weddings, cry it out, etc

People who annoy me are those who park on blind bends, double yellows, school zig zags.

I can't get overly annoyed by people who park on pavements, they often have no choice, yes some park without any consideration whatsoever but the majority do.

Who gives a shiny shit if a car gets scratched in this circumstance?

They do and I hope you get arrested. It is you breaking the law here. Is that alright in your little world because you feel the law is wrong?

And by the way, my bin also obstructs the pavement as do all pretty much all the other bins in our street. The bin lorry comes during the day when most people are at work. And there is just nowhere else to put the bin but the pavement. No alternative space provided by the council. Even if I carefully position the bin in the gate of my tiny front yard as not to obstruct the pavement, the binmen never return it there and put it in the middle of the pavement instead. Another shit situation. But I definitely do not obstruct the pavement with my bin because I am "entitled".

Not true. Criminal damage requires intent and/or recklessness . That's why you have car insurance because sometimes shit happens.

The solution is AutumnMadness is that some disabled people cannot manage without their cars/vans. I suspect in a worse case scenario councils might let them use them. I am happy to share roads, not pavements with cars.

I guess it depends on how wide the road is, I have to park two wheels on the kerb as does everyone on our narrow road, but we ensure there is ample room for pushchairs wheelchairs and motorised buggies, we don't park over dropped kerbs either, our road is too narrow so we have no choice, having used a wheelchair for a few years I understand how difficult it is when people don't leave room on the pavement, or block the dropped kerbs meaning there is nowhere to independently get the wheelchair safely accross the road.

When cars are parked on the pavement there is not always a choice - like double denim - do I do double denim or do I not? tights with open-toe or peep-toe shoes or no tights? Baileys or Kahlua?

There is no debate or choice as I will not physically fit in the space between the cars parked on the pavement and the wall/fence/house as I am disabled and other people may have pushchairs etc. - even single pushchairs will not fit - it doesn't even have to be a double.

I then have to risk of going out into a busy road or wait for the cars to move as even if I was happy to scratch the cars (which I'm not - ever) I still wouldn't fit between the cars and fence.

My local shop opposite is a Lidl and Gala Bingo so the road is always very busy so there is a purpose built pedestrian crossing(but no traffic lights).
Cars park on the pavement opposite by the fence and covering the dropped kerb that leads directly onto the pedestrian crossing rather than drive into the FREE, new, very, very big car park.

The road is very busy and because I am disabled and a bit shorter cars cannot see me because of the cars already parked on the pavement and I often turn around and go home if I've been waiting for a while as I don't ever want to scratch a car and I can't wait for ever for the drivers to return to their cars.
2, 3+ cars will park on the pavement over the crossing and I can't get in between them either.

If the cars parked on the pavement are occupied rather than scratch their cars I will tap on the window, just incase they need help, and ask the driver
-idiot- really loudly so they can hear me through the window "Do you need me to help get your milk/Baileys/mop & bucket as you've parked on the pavement on the dropped kerb entrance to the pedestrian crossing I thought you might be disabled too" as if they need help I'll help but no-one has ever been disabled and needed help (as all the disabled drivers are already parked in the P&C spaces)!

Parking on the pavement doesn't save time either as it often takes longer to pull out from the pavement than it does to drive out of the car park entrance - and I know this because I am waiting 5 - 10 minutes as I am just as desperate for my milk/Baileys/mop & bucket.

There is an arsehole transit van owner in my building who parks his sodding van on the pavement every day. We are next to an assisted living community. Every day the residents going to the shops or bus stop in their wheelchairs or scooters either have to go onto the road or onto our building's front lawn (where in this weather they risk getting stuck).

I'm mobility impaired and have genuinely stumbled and crashed into the side of his van before now trying to walk down the narrow strip of pavement that he leaves.

Unfortunately we're also on a busy bus route so he can't park on the road as he'd obstruct it for the buses and get a wingmirror taken off. The spaces in our car park aren't big/long enough for him. There's a lay by further up he could park in but woe betide him having to walk.

I secretly wish a bus would take his van out though

And Ruby disabled people can park on double yellows when displaying a blue badge (but not those marked as loading bays and not less than 3m from a junction), so it is legal in some cases. With you on the blind bends and zigzags though!

As a life-long pedestrian and user of public transport, I think the country needs good affordable public transport, and just like people were weaned off smoking a generation ago, people now need to be weaned off their dependence on cars. Look at the state of London's air at the moment! This situation is unsustainable.

One of my bloody neighbours insists on parking her Fiat 500 fully - all 4 wheels on the pavement. This is despite her having a driveway and there being parking bays directly opposite and about 100m to the left of her house. Totally bloody inconsiderate and no need for it.

While I agree that pavement parking is a problem I think that those who are full of the idealistic view of "park somewhere else" have never lived in or seen a street typical of the image that AutumnMadness has described and shown.

It simply isn't possible to park somewhere else within walking distance because there is no parking provision, and in your typical ex mining northern town we don't have the same public transport infrastructure that London or other larger cities do.

Can I just point out that according to the Papworth Trust 60% of disabled people have no car available to their family. So for everyone saying 'well, the disabled people park there too', the majority of them don't.

Where I used to live there was not enough space left to let a single adult pass through never mind a pram or wheelchair. Cars also parked across paths making it impossible to get by. Selfish twats

Genuine question: I used to live somewhere where there were signs telling you to park with two wheels on the pavement, and parking spaces were marked half on the pavement. Accordingly, I parked like that. However, it did worry me that you'd see wheelchair/pram users having to walk down the middle of our street (the pavements were very narrow anyway). Even though it clearly wasn't illegal there, was parking like this still twatty? I never used to feel good about it...

"Who honestly has never parked on a pavement?"

People in London, where it's illegal.

People here park with all four wheels on the pavement and the side of the car snuggling the garden wall. The pavement is entirely blocked. Uusually, the second car of the household then parks right alongside it, four wheels on the road, meaning pedestrians have to step out right into the opposite lane to get around.

Drivers here treat the pavements like a fresh new car park, and I want to key every one of the fuckers.

My sister recently did some one to one care for a young blind man. He lost his sight as the the result of a RTA.
He needs support to walk into town, a verbal direction that a car is parked on the path.
Every time he encounters one, he wallops the offending vehicle several times with his stick.
My sister could not stop him, he is a grown man.
It made him very angry. His life already had enough difficulties.
My sister did empathise with him, she had to think of things in a way she never had before.
Parking on pavements being one of them.

Doesn't it depend on the scenario though? I used to live on a quiet narrow one way street if Victorian terraces. Parking bays down one side but not enough for even one car per house. There was an agreed amnesty with local traffic wardens between 5pm and 7am and we all used to park on the pavement. If you needed to walk there was always a clear pavement on the bay side of the street so you just crossed over the quiet road and it was fine. And there was space for ambulances and fire engines. No problem at all. I'm sure there are lots of twatty parkers out there, but also some people just reasonably going about there business in the scenario they happen to be presented with.

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One of our neighbour's girlfriends used to insist on parking on the pavement right outside our gate, almost touching it so I couldn't get out with the kids in the morning. They also stay up half the night drinking and shouting, so a few bangs on the door at 7am to get her to shift her car sorted that problem out.

Where I live, none of the pavement parkers need to park there. There is enough road space to park on. They definitely don't need to park 3/4 of their car on it.
No one parks on the pavements in the narrow terraced streets. Parking is along one side only although many residents are older and don't drive/drive anymore.