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Do you really want us to leave...

219 replies

guest2013 · 21/01/2017 10:53

I'm European.
Last night I stupidly allowed myself to rise to someone telling me to go back to where I came from.. it ended up with about 6 people arguing with me and they were adamant that foreigners are to blame for the country's problems.
It's absolutely shook me to my core.. I feel very strange today, I've never, in my 8 years here had any negative comments. Lucky I suppose.
Are people who think this way unreasonable? Are there any exceptions where immigrants are a negative thing?
Do any of you think this way?
I'm not looking to carry on arguing but this is a safe way to discuss and I would respect your opinion.
Thanks

OP posts:
charlestonchaplin · 21/01/2017 12:21

Cross posted with cherryskypie.

PausingFlatly · 21/01/2017 12:21

And no, OP, of course I don't want you to leave.

I really fear how much this scapegoating is going to hurt the whole country, not just the scapegoats.

We'll be too busy blaming forriners to notice that we've actually cut funding to the NHS & social care system, are cutting funding to schools in real terms, have cut workers' rights... the list is very long.

LoveDeathPrizes · 21/01/2017 12:22

Damn the homeless ones living in the parks!! Nicking our... parks and eating our rubbish from our bins.

Please stay. We need you. Please don't leave us with those small-minded bigots and their externalises culture of blame. I'm really sorry you had to put it with that.

HerOtherHalf · 21/01/2017 12:25

don't want to fund other countries to the expense of my own loosing out in bad health care and lots more as they say charity begins at home

That's how societies generally work though. Individuals/organisations are expected to contribute based on their ability to pay. In the UK, and most other sane nations, lower earners pay less tax than high earners should. I doubt you'd be in favour of multimillionaires paying the same monetary amount in tax as minimum wage earners or of FTSE100 companies paying the same amount of corporation tax as small businesses. So the UK, as one of the most prosperous member states, makes a larger contribution than the poorer ones, what is unfair about that?

PollytheDolly · 21/01/2017 12:25

Do not listen to these fuckwits!

We voted Brexit and my DH2b is an immigrant....our dog is an immigrant and our horse is an immigrant.

I'm the foreigner Grin

Honestly though, these people really are not worth the bother.....and people that do matter and have sensible brains wired up correctly do not feel this way!

MistressMolecules · 21/01/2017 12:27

Hope you are OK Guest2013 Flowers and sad you had to experience this.

I do not want you to leave.

There are so many nasty people out there but please don't let them get to you (easy said I know).

NameChanger22 · 21/01/2017 12:30

I only want the racists to leave. People who want you to leave are small-minded idiots.

I'm starting to think the people who are able to leave are the lucky ones. The majority of non-immigrants might be trapped here.

bittorrent123 · 21/01/2017 12:30

I don't want you to leave or anyone else.

I voted out but not for immigration issues. I love how multicultural our country is and I don't want it to change.

Just don't like the way the EU is run and how it benefits big business and the elite.

I think and hope the bigots are a tiny minority of the leave voters.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 21/01/2017 12:31

BitTorrent- makes little sense to me. The conservative government is worse for those things

Marcipex · 21/01/2017 12:32

I don't want you to leave.
I'd like the racists to leave please.

Brokenbiscuit · 21/01/2017 12:33

I'm so sorry you had to deal with this, OP. I don't want you to leave, and nor do any of my family and friends.

My DH has been in the UK for 14 years, and is now a British citizen. He never really encountered much overt racism until after the referendum. I think that, thanks to the likes of Farage and his cronies, people now feel that it is legitimate to accept these views.

Ultimately, OP, I think it boils down to ignorance and a dearth of critical thinking skills. Successive governments have effectively failed huge sections of the population. Our housing stock is inadequate, we have failed to equip people with the right skills and attributes to function effectively in a post-manufacturing economy, there has been chronic under-investment in our infrastructure and our public services, and then to top it all off, the poorest in our society have faced swingeing cuts to their income. Understandably, people are looking for someone to blame. Farage and the Daily Mail tell them that immigrants are the problem. The other main parties don't want to lose ground to UKIP, so they jump on the bandwagon. It becomes the accepted wisdom that immigration is the root of all our problems, and hence controlling immigration becomes the holy grail solution.

It isn't really about immigrants. It's about people's dissatisfaction with their own lots in life. Immigrants are just a convenient scapegoat.

I hope you are ok, OP. It's very distressing to suddenly feel alienated in a place that you regarded as home.Flowers

DJBaggySmalls · 21/01/2017 12:34

No OP, I dont.

I think Fascism is on the rise. All the nasty little nationalists are coming out of the woodwork.
And they are being enabled by the 'oh oh but I only voted for the soft version'ers'

bittorrent123 · 21/01/2017 12:34

People both left and right wing voted out. The current government and Blairs government were the same in supporting the elites. I don't see why you said this.

Carollocking · 21/01/2017 12:35

Not the point the point is I don't want pay for any other country it's that simple. So the argument means nothing to me,I don't want be part of it at all full stop

Amandahugandkisses · 21/01/2017 12:35

I don't feel that way. I'm sorry you had to hear those words but honestly not everyone feels that way about immigration. I am the daughter of an immigrant and although people would never know it I have no English blood. I don't get those comments but my Mother did in the 1960s. She came here to live and study and has been an asset to this country as I'm sure you are too. Flowers

GriefLeavesItsMark · 21/01/2017 12:39

What confuses me is the posters who are saying that they voted Brexit, but don't want European citizens to be forced to leave. What precisely did you think would happen? Really can't cherrypick, it doesn't work like that.

Carollocking · 21/01/2017 12:41

Just because you vote to leave a ripoff system dosent mean people can't stay and In Future new people apply to come and stay just like the rest of the world it's no different

DJBaggySmalls · 21/01/2017 12:42

If you voted out you voted for this, and pretending you didnt is dishonest.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 21/01/2017 12:42

I voted in, knowing what brexit actually meant and not the lies they were feeding us.

Definitely don't want you to leave!

HerOtherHalf · 21/01/2017 12:43

Charity begins at home

Unless you are a consistently high earner and taxpayer throughout most of your working life, it's likely you are a net benefactor of the public purse, rather than a net contributor. So you are happy to be subsidised by the wealthier people and organisations in the UK but are not happy that the poorer nations in the EU are subsidised by the wealthier ones.

What you really mean is charity should begin with you. How noble!

GriefLeavesItsMark · 21/01/2017 12:45

Blimey Carol, you really don't get it do you. I just doesn't work like that.

Carollocking · 21/01/2017 12:46

Everyone voted for there own reasons and I doubt many of them reasons were the lies politicians told.
Considering there was no plan in place no one knew how it would be implemented exactly.
I'm still very proud to be leaving the rip off system no matter.

loobyloo1234 · 21/01/2017 12:48

OP are you there? Hmm

What did these people actually say at the party? Did they target you specifically? Confused as to how this type of conversation comes up at a party. Glad I haven't attended anything that sounds remotely like this though

2old2beamum · 21/01/2017 12:48

Just think if all the immigrants took a weeks holiday at the same time how would this country manage. We would collapse, please stay you are needed.

Carollocking · 21/01/2017 12:48

No I'm happy I have my own business and doing well thankyou,and happy my money won't be going across the channel and will be in uk to pay for our own people's needs first.