To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Of course it's possible that trifle is real and not trolling.

After all if there were no thick selfish arseholes then the case would never have had to go to court in the first place.

Who knew that by having three babies, one with disabilities and traveling around independently without ever using a space for people with disabilities I was some kind of superwoman. It must be depressing to have one baby and it make you so utterly useless and helpless.

I find the attitude to looking after a new baby on this thread a bit odd compared to the attitudes usually expressed on MN. Most threads are full of people threatening to report parents to SS for having a beer, not using isofix or letting people touch their babies with their unwashed hands. I am nowhere near as precious as any of those people. Where I can be flexible, I will be. However I think the majority of people, if they thought about it, would be reluctant in practise to stand on a moving bus manoeuvring a tiny baby into a sling, lie their baby on the floor (!) or hand them over to a stranger. As this is a parenting site, I expect people to be aware that parents as well as w/c users need to get to appointments, babies as well as w/c users can be ill and hungry, not all parents can drive or afford lessons, not all parents can afford to buy a new pram and rely on second hand or hand-me-downs.

However unreasonable I might be not to automatically move out of a space on the bus, I really don't think it is discriminatory to want to use the bus having paid to use it, nor to want to put my baby at risk.

That's all for now.

Oh and service, you deserve a bloody medal (non sarcasm alert).
Back in the days before I was disabled and my kids' disabilities became apparent I used to take DS1 and DS2 on the bus. 14 month age gap. A sling and maclaren one hand fold that laid flat were my friends. Especially because there were still buses with stairs back then.

Honestly the precious little petals that can't possibly fold now, what would they have done back then? (11 years ago)

*not

Ntft.

An easy fold buggy is great if you have a toddler who'll stand or sit nicely whilst you get everything loaded. If you have a 3 mo they're not actually that secure for the baby and personally I hate seeing tiny little babies rattling round a buggy. They should be in a proper pram or in the car seat attachment.
If they're in the pram its not that easy to collapse on a bus. You can dump the bed bit on the floor for someone to trip over or on a seat where someone is sitting but not really viable as the bus is careering round the corner!
So you're back to the get off the bus cos whatever YOU have to do is less important than EVERYONE ELSE. Not just those using a wheelchair but all the able bodied too whose seats could easily be converted to fold up seats.

So screw you mom who needs to get to nursery and work or the doctors or whose child is due a feed and a nappy change and its raining because you're just not as important

Buses need more sensible design and drivers need more discretion. The new buses by us could easily for more than two pushchair / wheelchairs but its the rules so tough

Think there is a need for pram spaces on buses too.

Well petition for them then. Just like disabled people did originally and that pushchairs now benefit from....

ginger, I assume that disability buggies are exempted from this ruling anyway? I would assume that they were treated in the same way as wheelchairs and had the same priority? It would be interesting to know if that is the case and I hope it is.

We had a dreadful problem with women with babies in buggies/prams refusing to fold their buggies or move their prams when ds1 was in his disability buggy. We got a lot of "that's just a big pram anyway, not a wheelchair" and "he's too old to be in a pushchair, just fold that and make him walk."

It's so bloody obvious that wheelchair spaces are for wheelchairs.

You're not the first person with a baby to get on a bus you know. I've been doing it since my eldest was born 17 years ago. Back then you were lucky if the buses had a wheelchair space. I'd put him in a sling, or I had an umbrella fold buggy. Or I'd walk.

If you actually put the baby in a sling before you get the bus you won't be fiddling with it. It doesn't take much brains to work that out!

Do you know what, all my babies survived going on the bus!

This whole wheelchair vs pushchair debate has got me all riled up. If im on the bus with my son I will make every effort to make space for someone in a wheelchair, however I'm not getting off the bus because I have the right to use the bus too. I'll put my pushchair down and try to find a seat to put my sons car seat on so he is safe, but I will not risk his safety for anyone. Plus why are people saying that parents are acting all entitled, most of us are saying help us move or refund our ticket so we can get a new bus and we'll happily oblige, just don't expect us to go out of pocket because we ' have less rights than disabled people'. If people are sitting in the pushchair bay, they are rearly told to move and we are told to wait for the next bus

Aw that's lovely, soubriquet. I remember as a teen commenting to my mum that if I had children I wold make sure to play pass the parcel with as many old ladies as I could find, as babies seemed to bring so much joy. DM was "I don't think you'll want to!"

That's all for now.

Do report back with a link to the daily mail article about you and your precious snowflake refusing to get off the bus. Your sad face will be priceless.

Trifle you are incredibly unreasonable. It's like this. Disability campaigners fought for those wheelchair spaces so that finally wheelchair users could access public transport. Their right to equal access is protected by the Equality Act. And the only way they can access the bus is by using the wheelchair space, whereas you still have the choice of popping your baby in a sling before you get on and folding down your pram. You can walk onto the bus and move to a suitable seat. A wheelchair user cannot.

You should be very grateful that disabled people have made your life as a new mum much easier because you now have the option to use a wheelchair space for so long as a wheelchair user does not need it. The price of that is being prepared to give it up to the wheelchair user whose legal right it is to use it, as and when they need it.

You have a short period in which you may be inconvenienced by some selfish person wanting the wheelchair space to which they're entitled. But that person has potentially a lifetime of selfish people like you thinking their choices trump others' needs and rights.

From memory. You know what time the bus is due, back in the day you didn't know whether or not the bus was accessible anyway so....

Think ahead. Going out with newborn and 14 month old who cannot walk. Can't drive as 4 weeks post CS. So, newborn in sling, sit 14 month old on hip, collapse maclaren and board.

Couldn't be easier.

Mobi D do a great wrap for twins.

I wonder how people would have coped when even folded buggies were banned from busses.

bishop I used to do the one hand close when I had one. There was never any need to hand my baby to someone else.

I have to say that I wouldn't hand one of my twins to someone else though. They can get off the bus, all the would need to do is press the emergency exit button.

I'd always choose to get off and wait for the next one, no way would I hand either of my babies over to a stranger.

But user we aren't sayind you have to get off the bus

You said you will collapse the buggy. Great! That's what you need to do

If you can not or will not collapse, that's when your only option is get off

And if you move your pram out of the space intended for wheelchair users then there is no reason both you and the wheelchair user can't get to their appointment on time!

Your sad face will be priceless.

And an excellent target for darts practise

However unreasonable I might be not to automatically move out of a space on the bus, I really don't think it is discriminatory to want to use the bus having paid to use it, nor to want to put my baby at risk.

You've paid to get transport, NOT to have the wheelchair space. And I'm baffled at your "put my baby at risk" nonsense. FFS, what is the magical age that suddenly you are not "risking" your child on the bus - after all, you mentioned car seats - are you going to keep this up until they're old enough to be out of a carseat??

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I'll never forget her face. She was trying really hard not to cry but one lone tear made its escape

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Services you lay your baby on the ground on a bus???? Are you serious? What if it got stood on?

Btw I am not saying I wouldn't have got off the bus if a w/c users needed the space. Simply that spaces should also be provided for buggies and prams. Doubtful that most buses would cheerfully wait for prams to be collapsed. Thankfully, where I am, many buses have both wheelchair and buggy spaces.

So you're back to the get off the bus cos whatever YOU have to do is less important than EVERYONE ELSE. Not just those using a wheelchair but all the able bodied too whose seats could easily be converted to fold up seats.

So screw you mom who needs to get to nursery and work or the doctors or whose child is due a feed and a nappy change and its raining because you're just not as important

I say this every time these threads appear.

When I was at the beginning of my illness - struggling, depressed and in a lot of pain, pushing a double pram with a toddler and a newborn - I would never refuse to fold for a wheelchair user

You, with your perfect health and one baby, you have no excuse but selfishness.