To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Why would mothers want to bash new mothers? Or mothers in general? I regularly travelled with a toddler and a baby and never ever would dream of taking a wheel chair space because I am not an entitled cunt.

I don't see why buggies should ever use the wheelchair space just like you can't park in a disabled space without a sticker.

Lots of decent parents would move a buggy for a wheelchair but there are always the twattish minority who won't. You can see that on this thread.

I honestly can't see why folding buggies only should be allowed on buses. Yes you can fold a buggy with a baby and a toddler you really really can.

I have always had people eager to help and hold baby guessing if that horrifies some then they really just need to crack on and count their blessings they can walk and their kids are healthy and able.

Life with small kids is a circus and complicated but it's a breeze compare to living with a disability.

Too many people on here are excusing their selfish twatty behaviour because they feel entitled to by pushing a baby out of themselves.

Pathetic and selfish.

Service was that aimed at me?

What am I not getting here? Prams can use the wc space as long as a wc user doesn't need it has always been my understanding. I can only assume you would have to be thick as fuck not to get this. Buses have to be accessible for wc users not prams. Being able to get a pram on a bus if its not in use is a bonus of this legislation.

Lois that's what I've always thought but now some people want no prams at all because of a minority of arse holes I think

Is it a generation thing maybe? I can remember when buses became accessible and suddenly being able to get on with my pram instead of taking the buggy. It was always understood it was for wc users first though.

Lois I'm 23, I don't think it's a generation thing I think it's an arse hole thing

Fair point

For those who don't get it...the baby in this case is now 5 years old and his mum never have worry about this again. Mean while on the same
Route more parents have a baby and poor Wheelchair user still can't get on. Few years = life time of waiting

I wonder how long drivers are prepared to wait? My experience of a popular regular service is its always late, speeds off before bottoms on seats etc. then gets ahead of itself / three follow each other down the road.
If a wheelchair user got on and mine was the easier pushchair to collapse (unlikely with a child on o2) and we needed to get to hospital so no not overly willing to wait half hour for another bus, if the recent ruling means drivers will have to actually give people reasonable time to do stuff. And the way some of them drive, no getting him out and not being able to hold him whilst the bus is driving is not reasonable

Momma people have already said as your child has additional needs no one would expect you to fold your pram. Other parents on here who have children with a disability in prams have confirmed this

That's not my point Fizz. The point is mine osbt the only child who I wouldn't fancy extracting from a pushchair on a moving bus so even assuming ds didn't have tubes and pipes, i would still want to be parked before I started getting him out the buggy, finding somewhere safe for him to stand whilst I collapse the pushchair and stow it, get all the bags off and moved out of the way etc. If child is of an age where they're not very good at standing obediently still, it can take a bit longer to do. Not a long job but if the bus is full and space is limited it will take longer.
So if they're going to start enforcing more seriously the rules, will the drivers actually do that properly or just demand parents get off because they are already late and having got time for someone to try to remember how to collapse the damn thing whilst keeping the kids safe?

I should have used a hypothetical rather than a personal example

Get on the bus, ask driver to wait for a minute until you have seated yourself / 29 DC's/ 8 year's supply of shopping / travelling unicorn.

It's really not that hard and absolutely nothing to do with wheelchair users being in their allocated area.

If you are regularly travelling on buses with a buggy make sure you buy one that folds easily and stands up when folded without support. The sacred newborn can be carried in a sling. If you need to get on a bus with a week worth of shopping, why not just order the heavy items online monthly, the delivery would be cheaper than a bus fare.

In our case we bought a buggy which needed to be used for lots of different things not just travelling on buses. So as i couldn't drive we needed a buggy which was robust and could be used over lots of terrains daily for 5+ years. It needed to be a travel system so i could get a taxi somewhere then put the car seat straight onto the frame when i got to my destination. I needed to do a weekly shop in it because we lived in a tiny flat (kitchenette in the corner of the lounge/diner) and had no storage for a months worth of shopping. Even if i could have ordered the bulk a weeks worth of fruit and veg and bread and milk etc would still take up the whole basket. I used to have to do the shopping trip twice a week. I used to have the large basket full and still have bags hanging off the handle bar.

I used to travel to stay for a week each month at my parents house with a 2yo and a large bump/newborn after a section. I needed to get a bus to the train station and my basket was full of the dc things and i had bags from the handles. I needed to travel with the carseat in the frame so it could be used at the other end in my dads car.

As i've said i would of course get off for a w/c user. But to have removed the possibility of me travelling at all with a buggy would have removed a much needed lifeline i needed at a really tough time in my life.

Of course buggies should not be banned from buses. I know having a small baby can be really tough. But a wheelchair user has major challenges all their life. Daily life is tough, and their needs should take priority.

Get on the bus, ask driver to wait for a minute until you have seated yourself / 29 DC's/ 8 year's supply of shopping / travelling unicorn.

Because there's no requirements for you to collapse your pushchair unless you're in the way and you're only in the way at the point at which a wheelchair user needs to use their space. Then you shift. So my question stands re drivers needing to be more useful. Unless you chain it off and stop people standing in it, old ladies with their shopping trollies, blind passengers with their guide dogs because it is exclusively for wheelchair users even when there are none, there's no argument for having to collapse all buggies

Stop this nonsense about bashing new mothers. It's about what people with disabilities are legally entitled to, having fought for a good number of years to be released from homes and asylums. Having fought to be accepted as part of society, not marginalised. Having fought for equal rights to jobs, housing and public transport. It has fuck all to do with new mothers and everything to do with those who feel they are more entitled to a space than a person who needs to use a wheelchair, be they Mothers, fathers, grandparents or a pain in the arse with a suitcase, and yes, I've seen it!

No fizz it really wasn't.

The trouble is all sensible people would move a buggy for a wheelchair but some just won't and even this ruling, although a great step, doesn't give the driver absolute rights to move a buggy or eject a selfish parent hogging a needed wheelchair space.

Unless there's robust legislation you will get a minority taking the piss and people with disabilities get enough shit to deal with

I know it's hard travelling with s baby and toddlers on the bus, I really do as did it often but it's a transient difficulty that as a parent you just have to suck up.

mrs K totally get your post and of course you would move but lots still won't and in my view that would be solved by only folding buggies on buses sorry.

Dawn spot on.

This isn't about the needs of parents at all it's about the rights of a person with a disability.

Two totally different things and the latter far far more important

Yep it takes ages to get on a bus in a wheelchair. people are just making up stuff on here because they just cba to move

Those saying can't fold while bus is moving, the bus is stopped at the stop. The driver is waiting for you to fold then wait for Wheelchair see to get on. Really don't get these inaginary trying do it while bus is moving rubbish.

As i've said i would of course get off for a w/c user

So the type of buggy you choose and your online shopping preferences bare no relation to this thread.

To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot?

When I opened this thread, I thought w/c stood for working class and that somewhere like Tunbridge Wells had designated a specific standing area on the bus for the occasional working class person who got aboard the bus Presumably, where they could congregate together and try and contain the odour of gravy, blue wkd and whippets and spare little Tristram the indignity of having to interact with someone who doesn't have Moulton and Brown soap or grade seven on the viola.

Then I realised it stood for wheelchair and it was people patiently explaining to a few breathtakingly selfish dickheads that owning a non-folding pram the size of a Vulcan bomber isn't a disability and doesn't give you priority over wheelchair users.

As you were...

Francis . By the time the driver lowers the ramp, the wheelchairs accesses the bus and the ramp is retracted and the wheelchair safely in position there is ample time to fold a buggy and find somewhere else to sit

Thank you, that the bit I was getting at. Our drivers barely let the doors shut before they pull off usually so it was their impatience I was getting at. However the point I hadn't considered was the load time which would give whoever is in that position time on a stationary bus to do what they need to do