To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Chipped - that is a response to you saying why get a big buggy if you need to use the bus? I am just answering you. As the thread has moved to people saying make everyone fold buggies the post is to do with that, so i do think it is relevant to this thread.

Akire our drivers barely wait for the old ladies to sit or the parents to park before they pull of so no they don't just sit patiently waiting til you're all good. However I hadn't factored in the point Frances made, which would of course give you time to get baby out and buggy folded. I'm not saying its an excuse cos obviously there would be ample whilst you're sitting there on a stationary bus who's refusing to move. My point was drivers aren't always helpful!

But you are at the bus stop the driver is waiting. He can't be waiting for you to fold for a Wheelchair user if at same time he's driving down the road! I'm. It saying fold every time you get on the bus just when it's needed and it's stopped.

oi Gil - nowt wrong with Tunbridge Wells! Some of us aren't as posh as we think

I've never been not given time to fold a buggy. Normally the driver will shout to fold before or just as the ramp starts extending. If I've chosen to get off they'll let me off before the user gets on of course, but when I've folded down I've always been given ample time.

Sadly I've not been given ample time to exit the bus before the doors close on me on numerous occasion but that's without a buggy and some drivers are dicks.

If your getting off the bus to make room for a wheelchair user than it doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

You could take a wheelbarrow with your kid in it, as long as the wheelchair users can access their space it's fine. My original post was in reference to the special snowflakes who's buggies can't fold and they won't move.

In London buses the ramp is in the middle so if you are folding your buggy or in the aisle or trying get buggy and yourself in priority seating next to space. There's no way I can get on the bus. I can't squeeze past you it's tight evnough on a empty bus. I'm not going sit on ramp waiting. When there is space and you have moved I would have got on. So don't get why driving putting ramp down means you have o.5 second to move either. I need to do about 30poimt turn to getuself into space as it's small entrance not a wide space with no bars.

I think the solution is far more robust legislation to protect the rights of those with a disability and the driver having the absolute right to eject a buggy user who is abusing the space.

However we all know drivers have to put up with abuse and you can see the vile types who will just refuse to shift.

That's why no fold buggies no getting on makes for the best sense and then there's no idiot taking the space with a buggy.

It does have to do with people saying fold all buggies tho, discussions move on. And your post wasn't clear. You seemed to be generally saying why have an unfordable buggy if you need to travel on the bus, and i answered.

A bit puzzled by some of the responses here. Of course wheelchair spaces are for wheelchair users and everyone is entitled to have access use transport. But then it starts to get a little silly. There is a undercurrent of thought suggesting that mothers with buggies are to be vilified, firstly for daring to have children ( which takes 2 by the way or more in some cases), and secondly to feel entitled to also have the same access to transport that the rest of the population are entitled to. It doesn't feel as though any progress is being made in ensuring those with disabilities have equal rights if we are pitting them against another subset of the population and attempting to vilify them for expecting to also be treated equally and with respect. They are not responsible for those with mobility difficulties having those difficulties, No one is. And to insinuate that they must pay penance for some imagined wrongdoing by pro-creating whilst being ambulance is quite simply, pathetic. Surely, in order to ensure we are all treated equally with dignity and respect and that everyone's rights are equally important, we must practice what we preach. This divide and conquer mentality is damaging to those whose cause you claim to be supporting. Carrying a multitude of babies o e-handed on a bus whilst folding a buggy and handing out said babies to strangers does not make anyone a better person than anyone else. Nor does it help those campaigning for better access. Making life harder for one group of people does not improve life for those with mobility issues. It just serves to alienate another group.

The only parents being vilified are the ones who insist on using a space not designed for them meaning those who it is designed for can not access it.

The vast majority of parents move without any issue so it's not a problem

Are you seriously suggesting that life with a baby is in any way as hard or comparison to living with a disability? Bloody hell.

I haven't said fold all buggies, take it up the the posters who have Mrs rather than me.

I made it more than clear the issue isn't with mothers with buggies it's with people, to quote my original post, who are "stupid enough to think that they trump everyone else when they won't let a wheelchair user in the space for wheelchairs"

They are not responsible for those with mobility difficulties having those difficulties

Who said they were? Another completely ridiculous post.

And no one is villifying parents! We are all most probably parents posting.

This is about the rights of disabled people to access public transport.

This is about expressing disgust at selfish fuck wits who abuse disabled spaces with buggies bikes and suitcases.

If parents wish to lobby for more spaces for buggies great but it's not about them now it's about the rights of those living with disabilities.

There is no comparison

They are not responsible for those with mobility difficulties having those difficulties

No one has said they are!

Some however are responsible for making the lives of those with disabilities harder.

And sorry no the rights of those with a disability Trump those with babies, cases, bags and buggies.

service support all fold or no entry won't help tho. It'll hell this particular issue but not the general issues of accessibility of public transport. Poster upthread uses a heavy pram as she needs to lean on it, I'm guessing shed struggle to baby wear or collapse everything at the stop, get on, haul it all on etc. It doesn't mean that the vast majority or buses won't have space for her or that she isn't willing to get off. So now she's not able to use the buses. My child is disabled but in a buggy, so now trappy mom at the bus stop is arguing that I have my buggy up so she should have hers. Do you want me or the driver to explain my sons medical issues in enough detail for her to get it? The parent with three kids and a load of shopping who is happy to wait for an empty bus but wouldn't feel safe carrying her twin 3 month olds in her arms plus the 2 year old.

Our buses have designated buggy spaces so that everyone is able to access public transport. Its not hrd

Sorry service got the wrong end of the stick there!!

As for drivers not wanting to upset passengers, I've been on a bus when the driver has had a go at the kids smoking upstairs especially because there's an I'll baby on board (he's not I'll but I appreciates the thought), I've sat in a stop for 10 minutes whilst a drier refuses to move up to the hobby lads who an upstairs without paying have got off, I've had drivers refuse to move because they were getting verbal abuse and sensibly calling the Police. If there are rules on the bus its their place to enforce them

No one would be suggesting that folded buggies only should be introduced if parents already folded when asked. The fact is that as it stands wheelchair users struggle to access the space to which they are entitled and expecting some buggy users to show basic humanity hasn't worked. I can't blame people for coming up with more extreme ways to get the message across.

As someone who uses a bus with a buggy nearly everyday I would obviously rather they didn't enforce a folded only rule but if they did I would think fair enough as the situation stands. And put the blame where it belongs, with the selfish arseholes who think having a child is an equal need to being in a wheelchair.

No, FastNotFurious NO-ONE IS ENTITLED TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORT. Not parents, or wheelchair users, or able bodied people, or people with blue hair or tall people or anyone.

However, wheelchair users ARE entitled to be able to use public transport in the same way as able bodied people. In order for this to happen, a wheelchair must be placed on a bus in a special way, which allegedly makes the wheelchair safe, both for the user and for other passengers.

And please, don't confuse wheelchair users and disabled people. The wheelchair spaces are for wheelchairs, that's all. Not disabled people in general. It isn't the bus companies being nice and giving us a space at the front (like with parking spaces). It is for safety.

Get on the bus, ask driver to wait for a minute until you have seated yourself / 29 DC's/ 8 year's supply of shopping / travelling unicorn.

Dawndonna is spot on. The LEGAL RIGHTS of people with disabilities trump the WISHES of selfish parents.

I presume that the thoughtless fuckers are the ones who also park in blue badge spaces if they can't use a parent and child slot? After all it's the same principle - able bodied parent and child taking a space legally allocated for the use trumps a person with disabilities apparently

FastNotFurious Equality doesn't mean treating everyone the same. It means giving some groups a little bit more in so that they can access the same as everyone else. That's why assistance dogs can go in shops and restaurants, some children have a 1:1 in school and wheelchair users have spaces on trains and buses.