To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Trifle

I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance

(which I don't believe is discriminatory)

The law may say differently.

sonyaya: I can't take responsibility for the whole course of someone else's life - in comparison to my baby missing a feed, obviously they have it harder. But faced with a choice between my baby's distress and someone having to wait at a bus stop, I will prioritise my baby.

Trifle you have flounced off several times..... thought you were off to bed?

Yep sod everyone else hey trifle

PigletWasPoohsFriend: We will see. At the moment the law binds the bus companies, not the passengers, and it leaves room for situations where the person refusing to move is being 'reasonable' according to the judgement of the driver.

Where not reasonable, as in circumstances like a medical appointment
Because wheelchair users won't have medical appts. It could be like a game of top trumps where everyone has to prove why they need to be there. What fun!

wannabestressfree: Not flouncing at all. And I didn't say anything about going to bed. I keep getting pulled back in...

sonyaya: I can't take responsibility for the whole course of someone else's life - in comparison to my baby missing a feed, obviously they have it harder. But faced with a choice between my baby's distress and someone having to wait at a bus stop, I will prioritise my baby. Trifleorbust let me get this straight....you'd let a wheelchair user wait at a bus stop just because your wee one was a bit distressed?? I'm now nearly 100% certain you're a wind up merchant and are having fun with us? Surely an educated human being can't be as egocentric...surely?? What do you teach btw?

I am only guilty of putting my baby first in circumstances where I don't see how I can do otherwise.

No, you don't CHOOSE to do otherwise. You can CHOOSE to fold/balance baby on your nose/levitate, or you can CHOOSE to get off the bus. Your right to exercise your choices for your convenience don't trump the fact that it is a wheelchair space (NOT an equality space) that you may ONLY have access to during times that a wheelchair doesn't require it.

The answer is going to have to be folding buggies only or no buggies or prams at all in the wheelchair spaces, which will deal with entitled idiots but disadvantage the many, many parents who have been able to use those spaces responsibly.

Still utterly gobsmacked at a remark early in the thread about moving if and only if the person in the wheelchair's journey was urgent. The poster actually feels entitled to interrogate a wheelchair user for personal information to make a judgement call on whether or not they personally will choose to allow that person to travel!!!

But it isn't a choice between your baby's distress and someone having to wait at a stop. It is a choice between allowing a person to access the space designed for them, the only one they can use, or being a selfish arse. Hopefully following this ruling bus drivers will feel able to set you straight.

and it leaves room for situations where the person refusing to move is being 'reasonable' according to the judgement of the driver.

Sorry but only in very exceptional circumstances would it be deemed as 'reasonable' and yours isn't one of them.

Stances like you have will mean buses will eventually go back to the days of fold or you don't get on, to stop themselves being sued.

Then you should always give up the space Trifle because wheelchair users have a clear need and you don't.

I suggest you read the thread then Piglet.

"Hag" "Thundercunt" is just the tip of it. Most places of work I know take a dim view of bullying,being able to see it and stand up to it is expected. No topic of discussion would excuse it. Hounding people and ripping them to shreds in a pack under the guise of them doing wrong is bullying.

You can stand up for any cause you like but bullying is still bullying.Conducting yourself in a decent manner is part and parcel of being a decent person.

chipped did you put another 50p in or what?!

Okay, I really should leave you all to it.

Medical appointments or a baby being due a feed wouldn't be classed as reasonable reasons not to move.

When does getting so nasty help a cause? I don't understand why people are being like this. If you just accepted that the bus company could do more for both groups and everyone should be willing to help each other more would happen.
When the cause gets associated with this kind of vitriol, then people stop wanting to help. Disabled rights is too important to get overlooked because of this kind of attitude!

You can stand up for any cause you like

So disabilist language being used on this thread is 'a cause' now. I give up.

Bullying is wrong, so are some of the disabilist views of posters on this thread, however I don't see you having the same stance with those issues.

The only person with a clear need is a wheelchair user, nearly everyone else has options whether they want to take them or not. The only case where first come first served is reasonable is when there's already a wheelchair user occupying that spot.

So trifle, what should happen? A debate over who has the greater need (on the bus with everyone watching and waiting)?

Do you think the arsey lady in my and ds's case was right?

Radio Merseyside discussion about this on the phone in today. Consensus seemed to be that the onus is on the Mum to make way for the wheelchair user.
No one disagreed but lots of people made the point that maybe our buses arent best designed for either wheelchairs or buggies. Some one cited Portugal as having much better on board facilities on their buses Is this true?
Could our buses be better designed for this purpose?

Okay, I really should leave you allto it. the bus when a wheel chair user wants to get on.

Bullying?

Don't be ridiculous. You insult those who have been real victims of bullying.