To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

That's true FBBT - I honestly can imagine a Mother looking sullen faced on the DM at some point, needing therapy as the passengers got angry she wouldn't compromise.

It was a genuine mistake before, I thought I was getting accused of something.

Trifleorbust that last comment where you named me has just put the fear of death into me. If I was a colleague of someone who held such disgraceful opinions of a section of society and was so totally self centred on your DB I'd be getting you told in no uncertain terms. As I said before - I hope the karma boat doesn't float by. And you do realise one day you'll be identified on here and outed? As a teacher, I'd be careful of whatever opinion I put online "anonymous" or not - you'll go too far with your trolling and it's easy to identify IP addresses etc. You're easily found online nowadays.

green I am s grandparent and early 50s and not quite decrepit yet

I would stand

toosmittle

The only thing that has really changed is the driver has to do more than just ask, and pressurise to the extent reasonably necessary. If the parent still refuses the driver can't kick them off sadly.

In practice I doubt that much will change as people like trifle will still refuse to move and for a lot of drivers it isn't worth the hassle. I do not think the judgment goes far enough- some of the Supreme Court agreed, but sadly a minority.

LittleStripyBee. Exactly.

Since when was it okay to bring up previous comments on other threads? That is a cunty thing to do. If you don't like a poster then ignore. If they are being offensive, report.

But it's incredibly bad form to tell people on the thread about what a poster has said in the past.

NRTFT but when we lived in america (Nevada) we had to fold the buggy down, even if the wheelchair user space wasn't occupied, they were strict on it and I understand why. It's not easy when your baby is still in a carrycot, but people always helped me. It's also disheartening when you have to wake a baby who's taken an age to get to sleep - but people in wheelchairs can't just pop themselves on someone's lap like a baby and throw the wheelchair in the hold. Such a shame that this ruling is needed thanks to entitled parents.

'A lone voice of reason'

Luckily the Supreme Court disagrees.

And I say that someone who doesn't agree with Trifle but piling on is shitty

My parents are in their 70s and do the childcare. Plenty do round here.

Oaps aren't put out to pasture on collection of pension anymore.

trifle

I realise you're ignoring everything I ask you but I'll try once more because I'm genuinely curious as to what you think happens if a hungry baby has to wait a bit to be fed on one occasion?

What happened to bus drivers refusing to let a pram or push chair on if it wasn't folded? Didn't that use to happen quite a lot?

Maybe the bus companies should go back to that rule, since so many parents are abusing the disabled facility.

sonyaya thanks for that. What a shame, it seems like a missed opportunity to make a proper change.

So how does that work then, trifle?

About 2 years ago, ds (6, disabled in a sn buggy, which doesn't fold) missed an appointment at the hospital because a woman on the bus had her baby in a pram in the space. The very old fashioned bus only had enough room for the pram and a smaller buggy. I offered to help her fold, or hold the baby, she got the arse, the driver shrugged his shoulders, and we didn't get on the bus.

Which of us had trump card, trifle?

Teachers are allowed to hold opinions others don't share, even unpopular ones. Sorry to disappoint the howling mob.

Janey50 I have been sitting in my chair in the wheelchair space and a woman with a buggy got on and actually said to me "Don't worry about moving out of the space I'll just stand by the door"

Teachers aren't allowed to discriminate against disabled students though, which you've happily admitted you would do.

sonyaya: The baby would be very distressed at only a few weeks old. As they get bigger it is less of a problem.

Agree Livia

Some of these posts are nothing less than bullying.

If we're going to talk about employers I think many would be disgusted. Some posts are far worse than anything Trifle has posted.

Bullying is bullying. Group bullying and trying to out do each other as to who can show off and be the most dramatic in that bullying is frankly shameful and the kind of behaviour I'd expect from teenage girls.

Truely awful.

You know it is possible to put your point across in a nice measured non bitchy bullying tone and have a constructive conversation.

Exactly Trifle, your predicament is temporary yet you think it gives you priority over those whose need for those spaces are permanent and lifelong.

trifle

And they would promptly forget about with no lasting damage whatsoever. It is utterly insignificant when compared with the difficulties wheelchair users face. It really is precious to think a slightly delayed feed is that big of a deal in comparison. Surely you are not equating the two?

You know it is possible to put your point across in a nice measured non bitchy bullying tone and have a constructive conversation.

Works both ways though doesn't it.

If posters don't come out with disabilist attitudes then others wouldn't feel so defensive.

Calling out disabilist attitudes isn't bullying.

I'm trying to imagine how a bf baby gets fed on a bus if they're in a buggy. Do you flop your boob out and dangle it in the buggy?

LucklessMonster: In school I make reasonable adjustments for my students. That is my professional responsibility. I meet it. Outside school I have a right to my opinion (which I don't believe is discriminatory) and to put my baby first. I would be happy to be challenged on this but I honestly don't think it would ever come to such a ridiculous pass.

Even though it's been a pain when I've been the one folding the buggy, I'm glad the small local bus company around here has always been of the opinion that the w/c space is a w/c space. It means that people with prams and buggies who travel on the bus have had to do what folks did for years - consider their mode of transport when they chose their pram.

The only prams they allow unfolded are the ones that are for bigger children with special needs (people get a pass to show the driver).

I think too many people think they are 'buggy spaces' which, unless the bus has a w/c space AND a buggy space they are not. They are w/c spaces that buggies can use when no w/c needs them.