To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

I read this as toilet.

trifle your profession is relevant. You are, on a public forum, declaring that you think equity for the disabled shouldn't exist (even if it is just for your pfb). I'm not a bus user nor do I, or any member of my family, use a wheelchair, however I have been looking forward to this outcome of this case because I'm definitely not a twat; however you lack a basic understanding of what disablism means and also hold a disrespect for the law, which may not make you a total twat, but damned near enough. This is reason enough for you requiring re-educating or re-training before you are allowed to influence young minds, I would be appalled if you were my child's teacher.

Nailed it January

Wow, Trifle is a real thundercunt isn't she? That poor child being raised by a mother with that attitude.

user1484766714: Thank you - voice of reason there.

Why stand with a newborn? Why not say "excuse me could I have a seat please?"

Omg Trifle is a teacher and has previous for being a "goady fucker" on a thread about rape. What a delight and asset to have in an educational establishment being a rôle model for kids.....I'd bet my bottom dollar this charming specimen doesn't spout her nonsense in school or shed fat no herself at the sharp end of a P45. I'm disgusted a member of my profession is like this - I'm sure the GTC would be interested as she doesn't display the desired Professional Standards in the slightest.

I am mum to a profoundly disabled 25 year old (developmental age less than one month) I travel by bus on occasion with her and her equipment, oxygen concentrator, suction, feed and pump and emergency meds, nowadays being able to have a dedicated spot for her wheelchair should be a good thing, 25 years ago, when she was a baby and I had no access to a car but countless hospital visits, I had to transport her and equipment on the old style buses , I managed it, just, along with a toddler. I fully appreciate that new mums, such as trifle, feel very protective of their babies , but to argue as she has been doing is insulting quite frankly. It's not only about the wheelchair person, some of them come complete with extremely exhausted carers who haven't had a nights sleep in years, so please think outside of your reality, I've met a few trifles on buses in the past 😔

Flying babies eh? Wow

Flying socks might be more accurate.

LittleStripyBee: I am not declaring anything of the sort. This is an anonymous forum where I can express an unpopular opinion if I wish. Nothing I have said suggests any prejudice against people with disabilities, nor do I harbour any.

I got half way through the thread and ended up thoroughly sick of those arguing that big prams have the same rights and needs and wheelchair users. No, no you don't. Yes of course it's inconvenient to have to fold up your pram or pushchair, none of us inwardly cheer and relish the thought of practising baby juggling in front of a bus full of slack jawed strangers, yes it does make that journey/hour infinitely more difficult... but that's just the point isn't it - that one journey, that one hour. Those who rely on a wheelchair don't magically shed their difficulties the second the bus ride is over. Pram users do though. What happened to common decency and kindness, particularly towards those less fortunate than ourselves? I'm utterly flabbergasted that the ruling was necessary, though sadly not entirely shocked.

Which leads me on to my question: please could someone more knowledgeable than me clarify what exactly has changed? As far as I can work out it's that bus drivers now must make reasonable attempts to make room for a wheelchair user, and can choose to not continue the journey if the pram owner refuses. Is that right? How will that work though? Presumably the people who already didn't automatically give the wheelchair user the space they are entitled to still won't. And bus drivers will be under pressure to still make the journey. Shouldn't the ruling be that the bus is required by law to make space and the bus driver is likewise not allowed to continue until the space has been relinquished? I hope I'm wrong otherwise I can't see how, in practice, this will really change things.

sparky I am so sorry your thread has been derailed. I am genuinely pleased at this outcome, it's about bloody time.

Popping my head up after NOT reading full thread but in Scotland, there's a notice on all stagecoach operated buses that in the event a wheelchair user gets on they take priority and that failure to recognise this BY ANYONE is subject to some kind of Public Order act (sorry for lack of info).

Stagecoach's routes take in loads of remote country roads too. Sadly it's just tough shit if you're on a bus with a buggy and a wheelchair user gets on.

Hoards of grandparents use buggies on buses in our area as they are doing all the childcare. Not all areas have high paying jobs which accommodate expensive nursery fees. For many families grandparents doing the childcare is crucial.

And as for buggies being banned from rush hour buses ha,ha. Never going to happen. Companies and government want parents in work and babies in childcare. In some other areas that don,t rely on grandparents rush hour buses are crucial to enable that.

Hallelujah user1484766714

Ps: I now live in London and as a PP said refusal to move for a wheelchair user means bus is stopped and taken out of service meaning refuser is not just behaving like a dick but will be publicly flailed into next week

*Sirzy

Why stand with a newborn? Why not say "excuse me could I have a seat please?"*

Haha haha haha haha haha haha

Sorry, you were joking I assume? Have you seen how many old people, pregnant women etc are blatantly ignored on public transport even when they do ask?

Trifle your actions would prevent a disabled person from accessing a service that others can. Your actions would prevent them from accessing the reasonable adjustment that was put in place for their needs. You are absolutely declaring it.

The buses in my area were great . They had wheelchair space and directly opposite a ' buggy space' you could fit two buggys in there. The bus lowered to curb level at the stop if you requested and you just pushed them in. My DD could carry on with her nap without having to get woken to fold up. I think modern buses need to have more spaces like this.

Well played OP - this was always going to be a bunfight

well the bus company has been fined so that's it. Brilliant outcome. Great.

Needs to be enshrined in law to protect the disabled from idiots but it's a great first step.

User148 fab post.

A lone voice of reason.

MSLehrerin: I haven't said anything here that I wouldn't say to anyone at my place of work. I believe wheelchair users should have priority where reasonable. Where not reasonable, as in circumstances like a medical appointment or hungry small baby in a pram that can't be folded up, I believe in first come first served. I would say the same to anyone

Please do. Tonight I would like you to post this view on your facebook/twitter/insta whatever you use. Tomorrow I'd like you to tell your employer and colleagues. Let's see if someone can get it through to you that your opinion isn't just unpopular, but disablist, selfish and just plain horrible.

The good thing is that the 'trifling' Trifle isn't teaching very much as she not only seems to be on here instead spouting her selfishness but taking advantage of as much maternity leave as she can milk from her job's T&Cs, before she quits. Please have more dc's Trifle as I'm happy for people like you to be paid to stay out of the classroom.