To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

FizzBombBathTime: It is always a bit disappointing when posters on a public forum, where opinions have been sought, start threatening public sector workers with 'exposure' based on their (supposedly bigoted) opinions. Honestly, if a colleague asked me what I would do if my newborn was in her pram on a bus and I needed to get somewhere in a hurry, I would just tell the truth.

Trifle also didn't answer about when exactly she deems her child "able" enough to safely be held on the bus without her taking up the wheelchair space so selfishly?

Just watched the local news (plus 1) and the solicitor that represented Doug said the decision means a wheelchair user can sue for damages if a none wheelchair users is in the space and the bus driver/company do nothing and they cannot travel.

I doubt the bus company would want to lose money this way so entitled parent trifle may find her ass is kicked off the bus.

That will be when said child no longer needs a buggy Ginger

Since she wouldn't want to risk her 3 year old having a tantrum at being forced to sit down so will be "safer and easier" in a buggy.

Mind you, she could have another baby by then and it all starts again

If I didn't need the space I wouldn't insist on occupying it over a stranger.
But you don't need it? If neither you or your child are disabled and the person getting on is?

Well then you're living up to your disablist title, Trifle and YOURE the one that needs educating. Think on.

And I'm not threatening anyone Trifle. One way or another your colleagues will eventually realise exactly what you are.

I imagine bus companies will try a rope of the section because that is easier to manage than trying to evict a pushchair user and especially standing passengers ( where you had a dispute as to why).

Of course the ruling is right but no one ever mentions (and I write from experience in London) that people don't even give up their seat (even a priority seat) for a heavily pregnant or elderly person without a scowl or a sigh) so how is the average mother with a newborn and a toddler and the shopping supposed to receive help from such unhelpful people - in my experience the nice people are in the minority. The amount of times I had to leave the bus as no one would even try and move and make the process easier. Sometimes it's just easier to walk.

I can never understand why people make such an unholy fuss about this topic. It's very, very rare that you have to fold for a wheelchair, as only a minority of people with disabilities use a wheelchair, and even fewer of that group use public transport.

I should have clarified, I meant I don't know why the non folders make such an unholy fuss when they miraculously manage to fold for another buggy.

(as to which standing passengers should go. Those in the wheelchair area wont be the most recent on).

11122aa Rush Hour bans on all prams are sensible.

So how would you like me to get to my 9 am hospital appointment with my 19 mo? Or even the 7.30 appointment for his surgeries? Shall I just tell the hospital I can't POSSIBLY come out in rush hour because I can't possibility have anything important to do when the very important people are about

I am not disablist so my students have nothing to worry about

Hilarious! I bet their parents are delighted to have a bigot teaching their kids.

I think 50p was far too high a price for this one Fizz

You dont always need a pram to get about. In the old days routemaster didnt even have anywhere to put a folded pram/

So how would you like me to get to my 9 am hospital appointment with my 19 mo? Or even the 7.30 appointment for his surgeries? Shall I just tell the hospital I can't POSSIBLY come out in rush hour because I can't possibility have anything important to do when the very important people are about

Plus many parents, shock horror, have jobs and commute by bus with their children.

Chipped have you completed your bingo card yet

Reading all these comments has really opened my eyes to the fact that there are an awful lot of buggy-users out there who are NOT selfish,entitled and self-absorbed. I must be very unlucky with my experiences,in that I have NEVER witnessed a buggy-user give way to a wheelchair user without an argument,a strop,foul language or all three. I have actually witnessed (and I swear this is true) a buggy-user telling a wheelchair user to move so she could get her tank of a pushchair in. The wheelchair user was like well where do you suggest I move to?! There was a bit of an argument until a couple of passengers intervened (driver as per usual sat there saying nothing). Thankfully this is the one and only time I have witnessed this.

The card is full Fizz.

Full fucking house.

woowoowoo: They even pay me.

Trifle isn't a teacher. Just a disablist hag who seems to have given birth to the second coming.

Let's all worship at its feet.

Obviously I would be very apologetic if forced to stay where I was because my child needed me to stand my ground, but it would have nothing to do with my role as their teacher
Oh my fucking God, So over the top. I mean really!? You do realise that that space was a RIGHT that was won after long campaigning to an able disabled people the same opportunities?

That space would not be there for you aneed your precious little child and your disgusting attitude, if it were not a LEGAL RIGHT for a disabled person.

Fold the buggy!

Millions of parents long before you and even now managed/manage with public transport, get over yourself.

I haven't RTFT but had to comment.

11122aa
You dont always need a pram to get about. In the old days routemaster didnt even have anywhere to put a folded pram

That 7.30 am appointment at the hospital I should miss because I can't be on the bus with the very important people, D's is normally asleep. Even if he wasn't I couldn't manage him, a suitcase, change bag etc across an hours commute by bus. He can walk but only a few steps without my hand and certainly couldn't do that distance. So without my pushchair, and all my luggage, what else do you propose than my buggy?

Okay, my father is blind and has a guide dog. I am on my way to needing one too. I have seen the issues with public transport, rail staff refusing to read the departure board to him (telling him to f off when he is trying to find out the platform number), old people complaining about his guide dog taking up too much room on the bus, taxis refusing to carry him because the driver dislikes dogs, adults refusing to move from the disabled seat so his dog doesn't have to sit in the isle and get kicked or stood on, people claiming he is faking being blind if he holds onto the hand rail on the bus. He was told by one rail guard that, "You people think that nobody else matters." He had just told the guard that he had been sworn at for asking for the disabled seat and that was his response. It is hellish and I have ended up being furious with people about it.
But, I have also been a parent with a newborn in a sling. I have had to stand, hold onto the rail and try to protect my newborn's head from the idiot in front who kept letting their backpack hit my baby. I therefore think that Trifle is right about the newborn baby. I have seen too many babies go flying when a bus breaks. Too many little bumped faces on the seat rails. I would like to see areas for both and babies under 12 months given priority for the pram area. I have to say I would never want to risk a babies safety for me and my guide dog to have an easier ride. Instead of hating and using vile language at each other, I would suggest we all push buses to have fold up seats for W C, prams and a bigger area for guide dogs to park their big bums, so they don't get trampled on and show understanding of the challenges we all face in life. It just takes kindness and consideration. You are more likely to get it if you show it!
Trifle- I don't think you are disablist(I've seen it and it is much uglier), you are a new mum that wants to make sure your baby is safe. As a scientist, I believe a baby fastened into a proper pram is much safer that being held on a bus (basic physics). We need to make sure your baby and disabled people are looked after on all transport. If we stopped fighting and all started caring we would be a better example to everyone.
I know I've probably just upset everyone, but I can see both sides.

This has nothing to do with my profession.
It has absolutely everything to do with your profession. I would not have trusted you to teach any of my children safely, fairly or even adequately with the views you hold.