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AIBU to think I need to report this? Or that I might lose job?

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PrincessCarrieFisher · 15/01/2017 21:04

I've found out recently that a few people in my company do drugs.

Not at work, obviously, but they do it regularly outside of work. If they have done it outside of work, then I wouldn't know about it.

One of these people is a very very close friend, and it's no secret that we are good friends

Do I need to report? Drugs are strictly forbidden in our employee contracts. If it came to be known that I knew, and didn't say anything, I might get into trouble...

Part of me thinks that it's off work premises so it's none of my business

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PrincessCarrieFisher · 16/01/2017 00:15

Ok who said anything about insider trading?!?!

Having a personal trading account that hasn't been declared doesn't imply insider tradingz

I have ZERO knowledge of any insider trading whatsoever

If I did, I'd report straight to compliance and possibly the police

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38cody · 16/01/2017 00:16

I didn't read the trading account post but presumably it was theft, whereas this scenario is maybe a little recreational use, risking only their own health. Not comparable.

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PrincessCarrieFisher · 16/01/2017 00:18

Ok how is it theft?

Sometimes I wonder why I post because people jump to so many assumptions

Personal trading account which isn't declared is a breach of contract

It isn't theft in any shape or for

Not is it insider dealing

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Puddington · 16/01/2017 00:24

It is about proof unfortunately. A colleague of my DP's (one position above him) is more or less a cocaine addict and while he used to only take it on his days off, since splitting with his girlfriend he's started to take it more frequently and has come to work high on coke more than once. Everyone knows he does it and, since it has affected his work and the way he speaks to/treats other staff members, it actually has been reported to a higher manager, who simply said that unless they literally caught him snorting coke at work there wasn't much to be done about it.

NC1nightstand · 16/01/2017 00:28

I'm sorry, no one else has mentioned it so I have to ask - did you name change for this? I mean, you're having a laugh with that user name and the subject, right?

RockyBird · 16/01/2017 00:29

I got my mother a job with the company I used to work for. First office party she went to they were all snorting coke and she was offered some. She didn't understand at first and asked who Charlie was.

I don't know if I was more put out that she'd been offered or that it hadn't happened to me at any of my work dos.

BillSykesDog · 16/01/2017 00:36

Princess, it's a conflict of interest. Rather than investing a clients funds in a way which is best for them you might do it in a way which will increase the value of the stock in your personal account. And if that makes them incur financial losses then if not theft it's very morally and ethically dodgy.

It's only comparable to cocaine use if that can harm the interests of others. So surgeons, pilots etc. A trader doing cocaine probably won't harm anyone but themselves. But having an insider trading account could harm others.

I'm generally of the opinion that if people aren't harming anyone else why would you try and harm them by grassing them up?

BillSykesDog · 16/01/2017 00:38

And your management would probably be very bothered if you didn't report a personal trading account that you knew about. But they probably don't care about cocaine and would even possibly look dimly on you grassing them up. Because half their staff and them are on it.

DontTouchTheMoustache · 16/01/2017 00:42

Ultimately if taking drugs is going to impact their work.then they will start to make mistakes, these mistakes will get noticed and flagged and be dealt with.
If the drugs are not impacting their.work then it's not a problem. Either way you have no reason to get involved unless you want to be seen as a grass or a troublemaker.
In terms of the trading account thing you need to calm down and stop accusing people of making assumptions and getting things wrong as people have already said they didn't read that thread or give advice on it, so clearly we don't have enough information to comment on it (and frankly, it isn't relevant to the question you asked in your OP)

DontTouchTheMoustache · 16/01/2017 00:44

*There had been a similar post recently about someone knowing about another person's personal trading account (again, prohibited in the contract and they did it outside work hours) but everyone on that thread was like REPORT!!!!

So that got me thinking about my own situation.*

Also bit weird that at the start of this thread the trading account thread was another thread that got you thinking but now it is your thread? I'm confused? Confused

DontTouchTheMoustache · 16/01/2017 00:45

sorry bold fail

qwerty232 · 16/01/2017 00:47

As other people have said it depends on the profession. If they're flying planes or performing surgery then yes, obviously. Otherwise it isn't your concern. Just stay out of it.

You can't hold yourself responsible for what your friends do outside of work. Nobody can.

NC1nightstand · 16/01/2017 00:55

Hmm, that and the name got me thinking too @Don'tTouchTheMoustarche!

DontTouchTheMoustache · 16/01/2017 00:58

NC1 on reading it back I did notice how many times I said thread. I think I made my point. Thread. Grin

GilMartin · 16/01/2017 01:06

As I've stated before, I don't actually want to report anyone

Well don't report them and stop being a
sanctimonious wee twerp.

If they are doing something that could imperil someone's safety, turning up to work comes off their tits or chopping out huge lines on your desk, then by all means speak to someone.

Recreational drug use at the weekend doesn't fall into that category.

I hate grasses who land people in it for no other reason than ' they can'. There was a girl I went to school with took great pleasure in grassing people up, just because she could 'Miss, miss, Annie Jones is chewing gum' ;

Or as she did to me:

'please sir, I overheard Gil Martin telling Davey Cartwright a joke at breaktime and it had a swearword in it.'

Thing was, she had no friends, no one trusted her and the teachers resented having to deal with the petty issues she brought to them. To give her her due, she was 14 and desperately trying to ingratiate herself with the teachers. What's your excuse?

Prepare for your work colleagues to ostracise you and regard you with some resentment. I've never taken a class A drug and aside from the odd spliff at a party, haven't taken any drugs since leaving university. However if I found that you'd grassed up a colleague because you'd heard they took coke at the weekend, I'd go out of my way to avoid you professionally and personally.

flumpybear · 16/01/2017 01:15

I think a lot of traders dabble in drugs ... stress and high demand of job

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PrincessCarrieFisher · 16/01/2017 01:57

Gill Martin- that same can be said for reporting someone else's account that I have no evidence of and that is not my responsibility to declare

Enough people have undeclared trading accounts in the financial world and I'd be regarded as a snitch if I reported that too

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kali110 · 16/01/2017 02:10

Why are you so determined to report your colleagues?Confused
Especially your friend??
Do you not want any friends at work? ( or outside as i don't think your close friend would be very impressed with you if you shopped them).

Also did you just happen to remember a thread or was it your thread as i'm a bit confused..

EstelleRoberts · 16/01/2017 02:31

Why are you so concerned about reporting people for doing things that don't involve you?

Is it because you are concerned they are doing something wrong and find that difficult to tolerate/feel they deserve to be punished?

Is it because you are anxious about your own position and are worried you might be fired if your own employer

EstelleRoberts · 16/01/2017 02:33

Sorry, accidentally hit post.

Is it because you are worried about being fired if your employer somehow found evidence you knew about the wrongdoing?

I find it a bit odd you are so invested in this. It's none of your business, really, is it?

Ciaovenora · 16/01/2017 02:49

Drugs could similarly affect the business if an employee is say, checking financials or making payments under the influence

What! You could say same for anyone who partakes in one to many cocktails after work ,surely they'd be as impaired ,I bet you'd never think to dump them in shit.......would you. Mind your own business.

Atenco · 16/01/2017 02:54

I think you should report them to the police, they might be more interested than your company.

You don't seem to understand anything about ethics, OP. You are working in one of the most unethical fields existing, you are ready to shop your friends for their recreational activity just in case you lose your job and you don't see what is wrong with a personal trading account.

MagicChicken · 16/01/2017 04:36

But the why was everyone so encouraging to report the trading account?

Perhaps because on MN there is a deep seated dislike of anyone that people perceive to be flash city banker type dickheads with loads of money and they would like to see them burnt at the stake?

And the two situations aren't comparable because clearly loads of people on this thread (or their partners) regularly do coke and like to think they are terribly cool and it's no big deal and anyone who disagrees is sanctimonious and 'out of touch.'

GilMartin · 16/01/2017 05:28

Gill Martin- that same can be said for reporting someone else's account that I have no evidence of and that is not my responsibility to declare

Enough people have undeclared trading accounts in the financial world and I'd be regarded as a snitch if I reported that too

I find it odd that you continue to conflate two unrelated issues: one a work based issue that could lead to malpractice/unethical behaviour/conflicts of interest (for the reasons BillSykes pointed out at 00:36) and another which solely relates to the individual's personal life and has no relation to their work experience (with the proviso that they don't turn up to work under the influence).

Magic what the hell are the horses going to sleep on after you've constructed that massive and absurd strawman?

larrygrylls · 16/01/2017 06:01

I agree with Magic, actually. A drug habit is far more likely to impact on work than a trading account. People trying to work while coming down from coke are pretty useless (and also may be taking it at work to keep going).

The trading account, however, is probably banned because there is at least a potential conflict of interest (insider trading).

There seems, on this forum, far less tolerance of someone perhaps making money illegally than endangering a company through working wasted.

Personally I would not report either unless I saw it was actually having an impact on someone's ability to do the job.

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