Some one at the Home Office hasn't thought this through properly

[liberia03]

Wondering if we could have a compassionate thread about UK mothers being told by they may have to leave the country, despite having brought up families here.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/14/dutchwoman-resident-in-uk-for-30-years-may-have-to-leave-after-brexit

That'll go down well in NI elections.

Actually user it's already happening.
I know people who are working in care. They are already struggling to find carers to do the job. They've gone back home......

So drain of s,idled people to do the jobs on the NHS. But not just that. It's also the 'unskilled' people that are doing all these hard but worthwhile jobs that British people do not want to do.

The thing is here people, albeit unskilled, still have a very positive input in our life's. And I suspect we will their departure very hard (because there won't be that many British people to come and replace then....)

www.theguardian.com/politics/audio/2017/jan/16/the-rights-of-eu-citizens-in-the-uk-brexit-podcast

According to the Economist, around 1 in 10 agricultural workers did not bother returning to the UK after Christmas.

After today's speech many of the others will go home soon
and then the companies that employ them will close their UK growing sites and ramp up the mainland ones.

THe EU migrants will leave and take their jobs with them.

My own PIL's voted to leave (mainly because of all the immigrants angry) but have a son living in Ireland married to an Irish women and another son living and working in America married to an Italian woman! They really want that son to move back not sure whether I should break it to them that due to their vote they have just made that move back very very complicated because their dil as an Italian may not be able to live and work in UK post brexit, Doh!

A classic case of hoisted with their own petard!

My dad does not speak my mums first language. Neither do I. DB doesnt either.

In the past ive had a lot of surprise and indignation for it "Why dont you speak Italian then?"

My cousin doesnt speak it either (my aunt DMs sister lives in Luton.

But he actually just says directly to people "Well i was born here" (in the UK)

So what sort of questions are on a form that rambles on for 85 pages.

Every time you have entered or left the country since first arrival
(a bit of a bugger as EU nationals do not get passport stamps
and before biometric passports, UKBA are just guessing too)

Every employment you have had since arrival

All state funded education you've had since arrival

All benefits youve had since arrival

And their records are so shit they will just guess

I hate that all this is happening. I am British but live in France with French DP, but we had always planned to come back to the UK at some point in next ten years to live and work, and have no idea whether we'll want to retire in the UK or France. It's so worrying and destabilising not being able to make plans re: careers, property, pension etc across the two countries because no one has any fucking idea how it's all going to end up.

Right after the Brexit vote I wasn't too worried as I assumed it'd be a soft Brexit and a lot wouldn't change in reality. But I've been getting steadily more uneasy ever since and now it's just awful reading these types of stories.

I still don't understand how on earth the City is going to survive without a financial passport, and how the UK would survive without the City.

I still don't understand how on earth the City is going to survive without a financial passport, and how the UK would survive without the City.

The City won't survive without a financial passport. But that's fine as many of those who voted for Brexit quite fancied the idea of scuppering the financial sector.

When the effects of a decimated financial sector are felt elsewhere in the form od NHS cutbacks, benefits and pensions cuts, it won't be very rosy at all and thats when things could turn downright nasty.

So if I understand well, we'll know more about what's happening this March right? And presumably have roughly 2 years after that to get our affairs in order?

So if I understand well, we'll know more about what's happening this March right?

No.

Government will not be issuing a white paper setting out their proposals/ intentions, so you will only find out once negotiations get underway, and even then, there will be no clarity until an agreement is reached.

Bear in mind that while arrangements for EU and UK migrants are near the top of the agenda, if the UK crashes out of the EU with no formal agreement in place (and this is, at minimum, a possible outcome even if not yet a probable one) then this would leave existing EU migrants with no specific protection or rights other than what a non-EU national would have in the same situation.

For those whose parents came here in the 60s - wouldn't they have some kind of residency permit, in that case, given that Britain did not join the EU until 1973?

Or EEC as I think it was then.

For those whose parents came here in the 60s - wouldn't they have some kind of residency permit, in that case, given that Britain did not join the EU until 1973?

Remember that immigration rules, particularly those pertaining to spouses of UK citizens, have hardened considerably over recent decades. I would guess that many EU citizens who have been in the UK for decades arrived as the partner of a UK citizen, or as a child of such a partnership. Citizenship used to pass from the father, so a forty-something born to a British woman and European man might not have UK citizenship despite having spent a lifetime here.

Immigration rules change all the time, and even within the EU they have changed in recent years. Before the early 2000s it used to be more difficult to move between EU countries (we needed residence permits when we moved to France in 1998, for example).

No, my DM has no kind of residency permit. Thankfully she has 'exercised her treaty rights' by working but all the evidence in terms of payslips etc is long in the bin. Every employer! Some of them have gone bust - has is she meant to know the dates. Hopefully the fact she earned into a pension will work.

And no idea what we do about filling in trips out of the country - we have no idea when we went on holiday for the last 40 years. Will be guess work.

Actually, can I ask a question?
If yu didn't have the 'prof' that you have worked for xx for YY length of time (e.g. You haven't kept your P45 and P60 or whatever document they are asking for),
How do you fill the form???

And... do you actually NEED to fill that form for all,the years you have been living in the uk or can yu just fill the last let's say 5 or 6 years knowing you are filling the criteria for those years?

You know this is horrible of me I know but I really hope that a school mum I know who outspokenly voted to leave but is married to an EU citizen has to face her family bring split up.

They are rolling in money so I doubt it but doesn't she realise what her vote is doing to other similar families.

"all the evidence in terms of payslips etc is long in the bin. "

She can get a copy of her NI record, it is one of the things you can request when getting a State Pension Forecast, so you can see if they are working on the correct data.

They take a long time to arrive and sometimes have errors.

It's worth getting these anyway

www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-record

www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

Thanks - we are going to see an immigration lawyer as I can't face getting the form wrong and I guessed things would be retrievable. Even asks stuff about what child benefit she was paid - again no idea how much CB was worth in 1975!

Hoping we can do just 5 years not the whole 40+

Just so shocked and ashamed of what is being done to EU nationals. And that immigration workers are doing this to other humans.
Absolutely ashamed of this country. It is inhuman behaviour.

Citizenship used to pass from the father, so a forty-something born to a British woman and European man might not have UK citizenship despite having spent a lifetime here.

If someone is 40 something and was born in the UK, they're British regardless of what their parents were doing. Only exception is if they were children of certain diplomats. Otherwise, anyone born before 01/01/83 in the UK is British. The German gentleman who fell into trouble in this respect when he applied for a passport a couple of years ago had an issue because he was born after the cutoff. It's 1983 births and later that will have to prove more about what their parents were doing etc. Still though, 1983 was a fair old while ago.

I lived here for many years on my ILR status (non EU)
I know for a fact that my mother worked here illegally when we first arrived
if I was an EU, that would render me liable for deportation

I called the home office about which absences you need to state on the form. It's only for those five years you want to use to qualify. I have been here for more than two decades so this is a huge relief, getting the past five years should not be too difficult.
Also, the form is now online which makes things easier and you don't even have to send your passport in, there are council offices (at least in London) that check the passport and then send a copy in.
Feeling it may not be that bad to get the application form done..

Here is the form
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/505043/EEA_QP__03-16.pdf