AIBU to be so fed up and confused on pyjama issue

[mummyof2pr]

AIBU to be serverly annoyed with all the judgements on pyjama wearers?

Can someone explain to me what the big deal over wearing pyjamas is? I don't understand. I shower daily, I wash my clothes if they are used/unclean. When I get up I get dressed go about my day, come home and shower and put pyjama pants on until I get into bed. I take them off before bed as I only sleep in my underwear. If I don't have anything to do in the day I'll wake up and put the pyjama pants on because they are comfortable and warm. If I then realise I have to go out and make a run to the store I'll just go like this as I usually have my children (4m and 2y) with me and if not I'm trying to do the shop as fast as I can to get back to them as my DH is not the best with small children and often gets flustered. I am not choosing to wear them out of laziness, I choose to wear them out of comfort. They are clean, I am clean. Nothing inappropriate is exposed. So I don't understand how it is hurting anybody. I don't think it's fair to sit and judge people who chose to wear pyjamas and be comfortable and I don't understand why people are so offended by this?
I'm sure there are a few people that do wear them because they are lazy and slobbish but I don't think it's fair to judge all people that wear them this way.

Fizz I know you don't do this, I've read your posts.

When I said "dress how you like" I was responding to your "I shouldn't have to dress to appease the middle classes comment.

If it's a "class thing" then... nothing. It is what it is. Attitudes to this might change overtime or they might not.

My first post said "it's a sensitive issue because it's a class marker". Our discussion has shown that it is indeed a sensitive issue.

I'm not sure where you are finding my posts confusing. I'm not trying to make any grand pronouncements about social class.

My original post was simply to say "wearing pyjamas in public is not universally acceptable in the USA despite other posters saying that it is".

I need to go to bed now so goodnight.

Fair enough. If it's 'nothing', probably wasn't a lot of point bringing it up was there.

Fizz just seen your last post.

It was absolutely not my intention to be goady. Why would I? I haven't said anything negative about PJ wearing - I've only said it's not common where I live (on either continent).

My points about social class aren't original it's been discussed throughout the early pages of this thread. I reiterated them because social class often works differently in the US to the UK.

Social class is a fact of life. It's highly fluid and it's complicated but it's a fact of life. Raising it isn't "goady" it's just another interesting thing to think about in this discussion.

I haven't been rude to you anywhere in my posts and wasn't my intention to be condescending.

Clearly I've offended you despite my best efforts not to, but as I am definitely now off to bed (It's 1am here) I'll leave the floor to you.

No you haven't offended me but I STILL think your mention of class was trying to start something. And your constant flouncing/not flouncing off the thread is getting tired now.

If it isn't a class marker (I personally think it is), then at the very least it's a social demographic marker.

I'm not in the UK, and we're not as class obsessed here. But no-one in my social circle would be seen outside their home in pyjamas. They wouldn't pop to the shops in them. They wouldn't do the school run or go to the GP in them, and they would host brunch or drinks in them. Not in a million years.

As in other countries though, there is a social demographic here who do go to the shops, etc, in their sleep wear. I don't need to go into the specs of that social demographic. I think we can all figure it out. It certainly appears to be the same social demographic as in the U.K., US, Australia, etc.

It is what it is. If you do it, and you don't like being judged for it, you kinda have to suck it up. People judge. Every little thing.

Dowager was there any reason why you assumed I do it just because of what I said earlier? Especially as you too dispute the fact it has something to do with class?

Sorry I misread, you think it is! (Been up all night with the baby 🙄) But would you be so kind as to give an explanation for the misguided comment you made to me earlier when you clearly hasn't read my posts/the thread?

The women in the photo say complainers are being racist. FFS

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/traveller-women-pictured-shopping-tesco-9587164

It's skanky. If you want to do it it's your choice but you won't change the opinions of those who think it's lazy and slobbish.

I guess we all judge people based on what we do ourselves. In my family, pyjamas are what you wear at night once you are home for the evening, and what you wear prior to showering and getting dressed. Therefore, rightly or wrongly, if I see someone in the supermarket in their pyjamas, I make the assumption that they have got up and gone out without washing / changing underwear for the day. However, I'm sure many people judge me because I don't wear make up and wonder why I have left the house without putting some on, because that is their norm.

OP - I like to do this thing, but I feel judged when I do it. AIBU to do it?

Majority of MNers - yes YABU

OP - but you're all wrong. I like to do it. Why are you judging me?

Majority of MNers - because it makes you look slobby/skanky/as though you don't care. YABU.

OP - but I like to do this thing. Why are you judging me?

Repeat ad infinitum...

Exactly Junos. lack of social awareness here I think.

Fizz - I was taking issue with the point you were making; that some people don't care. Actually, yes, it seems they very much do care.

The 'you' was a generic you, not you personally. Though you seem remarkably keen to reiterate that you personally don't do it. I don't blame you - it's incredibly skanky!!

Dowager i made a point of saying I don't do it because it goes to show that you don't have to do the same as other people in order to not abuse and berate them for their personal clothing decisions.

I think it's skanky to be such a nasty keyboard warrior, but there we are.

Your username speaks volumes

Oh god, now the wearers of the pyjamas in the newspaper article are saying the complaint is 'sexist and racist' because they're travellers. You couldn't make it up!

It's not sexist and racist, I'd feel the same if it were 2 blokes and as for being racist... ridiculous!

bettercallsaul at 00.19 summed up every single thing I think about the whole pyjama wearing issue. Could not have put it better meself!

It does rather, doesn't it!

I don't abuse anyone. I've never actually seen anyone out in public in pyjamas, and if I did, I'd avoid them, let alone go over and abuse them.

I'm just being honest about what I think on a written forum.

Pyjamas in public seems to be the subject du jour. It's even been in the news here, in the last couple of days. A woman - like the OP - bemoaning the fact that people are judging her as slovenly for going to the supermarket in pyjamas. Apparently, as a mother, she doesn't have time to get dressed. 🙄

I've never seen anyone out and about in PJs and I wouldn't do it myself but I don't get all the angst about it.

People were in shock and disgusted when women started wearing trousers, started showing their ankles, midriffs, thighs etc etc. Who really cares?! Let people wear what they like feel comfy in, stop judging and get on with your day.

@junos if you have read that wasn't the case. I asked HOW it offended or harmed anyone and asked for an explanation without a personal judgement in it. The conversation went from argument to discussion and was fine. I was asked numerous times about what I wore and why, I was called fat, had my family attacked, called "poor", told I had no clothes, no class etc. That is what I am against.

It really really does. Perfectly.

As for the other thread, I didn't see it. Nor have I seen the news story, and I won't read the mirror/fail etc so there we are.

@juno sorry meant to separate the asked numerous times about what I wore and the attacks. The attacks completely unnecessary, the respectful and open discussion fine.

Yes, agreed, it really, really does!

As I said (keep up! You're expecting me to remember all your posts!), I'm not in the UK. The news story therefore wasn't in the UK.

Also to the other US women who have commented saying it isn't universally accepted there I never said it was! Don't think anyone did. You managed to live somewhere that you don't see it, that's great if you are against it! I however lived in the US my entire life up until last April and in multiple different states at that, and I have seen it all around! I didn't say universally acceptable, I said much more common and less cared about as we all know the US has a lot bigger issues going on and that shouldn't be on anyone's radar!

Dowager wtf? Keep up? I was just saying I hadn't seen it

When did I say I was in the uk?

Yes, agreed, it really, really does!

Are you 'last wording' me or something?

Huge lol can't believe this is still going on.

Op, enjoy wearing your magical comfy pyjamas to Tescos. You will be judged as lazy and slovenly by many who see you, just as you indicated you personally judge women in short skirts and crop tops to be sluts.

We are all different, personally, like the very vast majority of the population , I'd never wear my pyjamas shopping and I don't judge women in short skirts and crop tops to be sluts, but fill your boots. You are who you are.