to expect people to have the desency not to light up and start smoking whilst sitting next to a toddler at a bus stop?

[juicychops]

God these people piss me off!!!!!!!!!1

2 old women today came and sat next to me and ds at the bus stop and started smoking!! i looked at them in disgrace and moved and they looked at eachother and started laughing! i was just about to open my mouth and say something when the bus turned up.

Its disgusting

I just don't understand why anybody would want to smoke (and I don't care if I offend anybody by saying it).

It's a self imposed death sentence.

As for the argument - well in the 50's/60's we all lived with parents/family who chained smoked with the windows closed and we survived to tell the tale. Arrggggghhh.... surely anybody can see that this is not a valid statement in this day and age (i.e. with all the research in the world to back up the fact that this statement is a crock of sh!t).

I loathe smoking, and can't wait for the day it's banned outright. However, in answer to the OP, whilst I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to move away if they are going to smoke, unfortunately when the ban comes into place, it is inevitable that there will be more and more smokers in outdoor places having a ciggy. So you may well have to get used to moving your baby/toddler/child away.

If someone wants to smoke, that's their business, but I hate being near it. I used to smoke and didn't like to be near it then. I know that sounds silly. But even tho I smoked I hated being in a really smoky room.

My MIL can't go 10/15 mins without lighting up, literally.
Though she will go in the dining room when we're there with the dc's.
Or at least she did until boxing day, then she decided that because we'd all be there playing games that the living room should be the smoking room(who could possibly go the length of time it takes to play a game without smoking???) and the dining room would be the baby room.
My dd1 was 3 and I couldn't keep her out, my dd2 was 3 mths, so guess who got stuck on my own in the dining room with the buffet table.
DH offered to take turns with me, I said it was ridiculous.
THEN MIL came in, got some food and sat next to me as I fed dd2, and started talking to her, as you do. I was fuming after 2hrs on my own and didn't even look at her.
THEN, she looks at dd2 gurgling away happily, and says, "You can't go in there,no. It's too smokey and there isn't room for you!!!" [anger] [anger]
A few mins later dh came in and I told him I was going home as we weren't welcome.
He begged me not too as was xmas etc, got his mum to switch rooms, which she did, but glared at me all day, and announced how she was going into the other room for a fag, on her own.

I haven't been back since, and I WILL NOT go back. Horrible old bag!!

Fgs, there are far worse things to get worked up about than a ciggie.

I HATE cigarette smoke.
Blah.... Ooh I feel so strongly about it, it's worse than dog poo on the street!

I really wish they would ban smoking in public places here in Germany but they say they cannot (!?!).

I really hate going to restaurants here because of the smoke. I also hate the fact that people bring their dogs into the restaurant too. But I prefer dogs to cigarettes. I've often taken dd to a cafe or restaurant and left pretty quickly because someone came and sat nearby and lit up. IME smokers often don't give a fig whether there is a dc nearby inhaling their smoke.

I absolutely HATE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gawd I hate it so much. Can't understand why anyone wants to smoke.

Here they say the most they can do is ask restaurant owners to have smoker and non-smoker sections which is a total waste of time because the smoke from the smoker section doesn't just stay there, does it? I mean it wafts all over the place! Actually I rarely go to restaurants here anymore because of the smoke.

I think the worst thing was going to a cinema here once where people were smoking while the film was on. Yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk

God thats really bad SSS. cant believe they smoke in cinemas!

I cant understand why people smoke it is one of the most vile disgusting habits ever and i wish it could be outlawed!!

My sister smokes and she always smells. She doesn't smoke in her house or around her baby dd but the poor thing always stinks. When i babysit for her, all her clean clother in her baby bag all smell of smoke.

After using her travel cot in my bedroom my room stunk of smoke for the rest of the day!

Wow, I didn't realize people could feel so strongly about other people smoking outdoors. I don't care much if someone smokes close to my children outside, I'm more worried by the traffic, tbh.

spitting on a pregnant woman! blimey you lot are so caring

When DP and i went out for a meal on valentines day there was a middle ages couple who spent the whole meal smoking.
I had no idea that the place we had gone to allowed smoking as having been there before i had never had the mis fortune to sit next to smokers.
It spoilt the meal and we could not move tables as the place was packed.
I grew up in a house where people smoked and i hated it, i hated the way my clothes and hair smelt of somke.
When i got married and moved in to my own home i never let anyone smoke in it.
My BILs ex wife came to dinner and lit up and when DH and i ask her not to (we did not even have an ashtray) she went off on one about human right. and shit.
It is my human right NOT to die of lung cancer, it is my human right NOT to have a home that smells like an ashtray, it is my human right NOT to want to breath in other peoples filth, it is my human right Not to have to look out for dogends no the grass i want to sit on of in the sand at the beach my children are playing on. I cant wait for the smoking ban to come in to play. If you want to smoke then do it at home, i would out law it ANYWHERE else.

This is only refered to as a human right if it happens to suit the person demanding it, what about the people who don't agree, what about their human rights? Just because you don't like something it doesn't mean its you r human right to have things your own way. . Seems a bit of a one sided argument. People only drone on about human rights if it suits them too. If they don't like something it goes against their human rights. Sorry, that's absolute cr*p and hypocrisy.

I absolutely respect the right of smokers to smoke, btw - human rights and all that.

But do it in a sealed box, well away from me, please, otherwise it impacts my right NOT to breathe the stinky fug.

I am a vile smoker. I think you non-smokers are absolutely correct it does stink, etc, etc.
I gave up when I was pg both times and started again both times - so I am really really stupid. I have no defense whatsoever. Nor am I trying to make on.
I NEVER smoke around children - outdoors or in.
I have never smoke indoors (except pubs and then only the scutty biker pubs with no food or diners). I would never light up around people who are eating.
If I am outside smoking and a non smoker comes to talk to me I put my fag out or keep moving away (just realised I am also rude!!) In fact if a smoker comes and talks to me I spend the entire conversation trying to hold my ciggie away from them and blow away from them.
I never smoke during the day when the kids are around (don't want them to see it) I even have 'smoking clothes' which I don't wear around them.
So in short I am pretty much ashamed to be a smoker. I used to enjoy it and don't really anymore. I think the time is coming closer that I will be READY to quit. And thats the big thing - somewhere in your (very small I know) brain has to be ready.

Haven't read the thread, but yes you are unreasonable to expect smokers to smoke considerately. It just doesn't happen, as unless they are alone, it's a pretty impossible task.

I am quite amazed by the reaction. I'm also an evangelical ex smoker and really hate the stuff (plus I have an ex faggy's nose, can smell a whiff a mile off) but FFS outdoors? I agree not in an enclosed space, but in an open air park, in a town centre? Yes, it does get my goat up when I'm out with DD and she gets nothing but wafts of other people's ciggies, but I can hardly go and clear a crowded pavement before trundling past with my buggy, can I? Loosen up.

As Franca says I'd be more worried about the traffic, especially car fumes. I don't own a car and go everywhere by bicycle, with my DD perched up front, and despite me choosing relatively traffic free routes I still have to put up with someone elses motor belching out disgusting fumes for me and my DD to breathe in. Now, driving around toddlers, that really is a disgusting habit! And the volume of rubbish belched out by internal combustion engines far exceeds any crap of a few smokers' ciggies.

omg I just read the thread tiltle as
to expect todlers to have the desency not to light up and start smoking whilst sitting next to a toddler at a bus stop?

southeastastra - I didn't actually spit on her, thought that would be going a bit far

brangelna , thank god someone has said that, i stopped smoking 2 years and have noticed that i can smell it if someone had a cig outside 10 mins before satrnge or what....

i do believe that it should be banned in more places i now hate going out because the day after you just stink

i won't send my kids to their nanas anymore either a she refuses to not snoke around them

the number of times i have tiold her notto smoke in my house and she still insists in standing in the door way, or when she's told to move, standing out side with the door wide open so it all wafts back in

oh and now i've stopped smkin have apparently lost the power to type !!!

Personally I hate anyone smoking near my children be it inside or outside. I even have rules that my relations, when we visit them, are not allowed to smoke in their own house.

They all comply - because they respect my concern about my childrens health.

[franca is really impressed by brangelina cycling in northern italy . ]

Tinkerbelle, that really drives me up the wall too. My ex best friend used to think it sufficient to smoke leaning out of window, like, as if it was not going to blow back in....
Know what you mean about the sense of smell, I can smell the smoke on a shop assistant from the fag she had in her lunch break hours ago. I'm constantly sniffing the air and looking around after detecting distant whiffs of smoke, probably from someone who had passed in his car half an hour before.

So am I, I did it for years in Milan, one year from Piazza Loreto to Romolo. Everyday. I was mad. I also used to wear a miniskirt on a racing bike. Caused a fair few accidents, but it wasn't my fault, they should have been looking at the road

Yes the smell is another reason not to smoke near children. I hate hugging my toddler and catching a whiff of fag smoke, and it even gets on their clothes and their little coats and mittens smell like they've been puffing on woodbines...yuk yuk yuk. Smokers do stink - and if they want to fine, but don't inflict it on children!

decency