To be so annoyed with other drivers 'waving' me on

[TheresaVGreen]

I am quite happy to wait until a natural break in traffic to continue with my turning right manoeuvre thank you. I do not need you to come to a complete stop for me (which is dangerous and against the Highway Code), holding up everyone behind you, to then wave me on and get frustrated with me when I don't immediately take you up on your kind 'offer'.

I think I'm almost getting to the point where I am simply not going to move when I am waved on, and wait for the other driver to continue driving.

AIBU to be frustrated with drivers who take the rules into their own hands like this?

It never occurred to me that it was anything other than a kind gesture. I just go if its safe. Don't sit there fuming.

My mom gets mad when she's the one waving someone across, and the other person goes but then DOESN'T WAVE BACK.

Beat that!

What don't you understand by that? It's perfectly clear - if traffic is crawling, then cars driving past a line of slow moving traffic, sitting in the other lane lane and trying to push in means that all you do is create a bottle neck and cause traffic in that lane to have to stop to let in these cars which should have merged in turn further back in order to keep traffic further up the line moving. I see it all the time.

Well, I am lacking the power to explain and you won't check other sources

I'm not arguing about what happens in the UK, I'm promoting what should happen to keep all traffic moving most efficiently, and that is to use both lanes to the merge point, then merge in turn. I can't spell it out any clearer - using both lanes and merging in turn reduces congestion and queues. It's been shown to be true. What we do in the UK is not this system, because we're all so het up about "pusher-inners" and obsessed with queueing. In the meantime, we're actually creating traffic jams.

What should happen and what actually happens are 2 different things. That's the danger of relying on computer modelling and it's why I won't google when I drive on real live roads and see the reality.

What should happen and what actually happens are 2 different things
Well, you can queue in the left while I do what should happen. Not my fault if other drivers are too stubborn or refuse to understand what's best for all road users

That's the danger of relying on computer modelling
Except there are many actual roads where the ideal situation I've outlined has been heavily publicised, is in place and subsequently shown to be very successful. Hardly simple computer modelling.

Anyway, we'll circle all day until I nip past you on the right

As I say, I love a good driving conversation.

You won't nip past me - you'll do as the modelling tells you and merge in turn at the right point (which will be behind me, natch ) instead of leaving it till the last minute like so many drivers who then create a bottleneck jam.

I love a good driving conversation too - esp as I am the best driver in the world ever and therefore always right.

esp as I am the best driver in the world ever and therefore always right
Of course.

This mainly annoys me when the person that stops is the last in a row of cars. There's no point yo their kindness!

I used to live in a busy-ish road where people often parked along the side. The amount of time that people used to stop to let me past the parked cars, while actually they were blocking my drive. It was so frustrating, because they would gesture, I'd be indicating and they just would not get that I just wanted to turn into the drive!

No Frusso - the bottle neck wasn't there. I've already explained that the traffic is moving slowly. It stops when cars don't merge in turn gradually, but leave it to the last second and then try and push in. There's usually a small crowd of them getting very frustrating that no-one will let them in - if only they had been aware of the traffic flow ahead and started to merge back when the traffic was moving steadily rather than racing to the end and sitting in a little bunch.

There are far worse drivers on the road to get pissed off about!

I've already explained that the traffic is moving slowly
Unless there is a specific blockage after the merge, the traffic in this left lane would move quick with the zip merge scheme. You wouldn't be moving so slowly in the first place.

Actually, I resolved to stop can't help myself hands baton to Frusso

I hate horses waving me past (the riders not the horses) ....I will make the decision when it is safe to overtake you and that will be only when I cannot see any oncoming traffic.

Maybe they are (horse riders) trying to be helpful rather than trying to piss you off. I hope you don't get the rage, start revving, pipping at them and driving too close to them.

Unless there is a specific blockage after the merge

Which is precisely what I said a few posts back. It only works if the traffic is merging in turn, is moving at a steady (albeit slow) pace and doesn't have a little group of drivers trying to push in at the far end of the lane as opposed to being aware of the traffic flow ahead and merging in turn in plenty of time. What happens as a result of late mergers is that you have more drivers trying to squeeze through a small gap which slows things down or makes them stop. It's bit like going through a door - if you go through one at a time then the line moves smoothly, but if you have a situation where people come up the outside and then try and squeeze through then it doesn't run smoothly and can stop.

Should I add a little to that, I wonder?

if you go through one at a time then the line moves smoothly, but if you have a situation where people come up the outside and then try and squeeze through then it doesn't run smoothly and can stop
Ah, implicit in the idea of zip merging is that both lanes leave enough space ahead of them for a car to pull into. Nobody has to squeeze in anywhere - it's a smooth flow.

Watch the modellers, honestly. It's fascinating.

Link to a model

The models will show what should happen Maid - not what does happen when those pesky drivers do it wrong

And another . And one more for luck.

implicit in the idea of zip merging is that both lanes leave enough space ahead of them for a car to pull into. Nobody has to squeeze in anywhere - it's a smooth flow

Go to the Countess roundabout on the A303 and see how that works. Admittedly some of the problem is caused by people slowing right down beyond the merge point to look at Stonehenge, but even without that there is a huge problem. I still think if people merge further back, there is less of a bottleneck. And I also think that further down the road towards Somerset where there are very short stretches of dual carriageway it would actually be quicker to block one lane and keep all the traffic single file, as it flows better single file than it does when two lanes try to come together.