To renounce my vegetarianism?

[nethunsreject]

I've been veggie all my life. My parents were hippies. Several reasons I want to eat meat occasionally:

1. I eat dairy, which is as bad as the meat industry.
2. I don't have a problem with animals being killed for food. I dislike intensive farming but, as I only want meat once a week, we can buy from the local farm which is high welfare.
3. I feel that life is short, I'm middle aged and I'll be dead one day. I'm blessed in living in modern western world where I have the chance to enjoy very many things.

Anyone gone this way too?

Sorry, last, I'm not quite sure - do you like animals, or not? I mean, most people I meet, I can tell straight away whether they give a shit about animals or, like, don't ... but you're so.... enigmatic about it...

multi brilliant

Do you prefer pigs or tapeworms, by the way?

I'm obviously the baddie here for giving a shit about animals, so I'll leave you to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, that really isnt the case and I suspect that your passion is blinding you!

The issue on this thread is not that you care about animals or the fact that you are vegan. Its the fact that you called people who chose to eat meat after being veggie "pathetic". That you implied that anyone who eats meat doesnt care about animal welfare. That you instructed us all to "do what [we] can" by cutting out/down meat.

Its your bossy "I know best and you are all selfish cruel idiots if you dont agree with me" attitude that is the issue here. And yes, I do believe that people like you harm the vegan/animal welfare cause far more than you help it. Perhaps you might want to think about that.

Last, you weren't really telling us about how you love animals so much as denouncing as cruel and practically satanic anyone who let a morsel of meat pass their lips (after, in my case, a mere 30-year hiatus) ...

So don't get all fucking wounded and victimy on us now, basically!

How can you tell if someone is vegan?

That joke is hysterical, pyong - I've never seen it posted on a thread about vegetarianism ever!

Oh wait ...

you all have been so horrible to me tonight I was just trying to tell you how much I love animals

But you werent

Read back your posts. You were saying how much you hate anyone who doesnt feel the same way that you do. Thats a completely different thing.

You have had the piss taken out of you, yes. But no one has been horrible to you.

What do you think of the article posted above about vegetarianism sustainability? I would genuinely like to know as I have read similar articles and it seems to me that there is no satisfactory answer for either meat eaters or veggies. As a PP said, something will suffer somewhere along the food chain, whatever you eat.

Rhonda to be honest it was probably me, I have recently NC. I was using it to point out that stereotypes exist for a reason and that Last is one of them.

OP a few people I know who started eating meat after a long break got stomach upsets. I didn't, but it might be worth doing small portions every couple of days to minimise any shock to your system (which is pretty much how i did it, but due to an odd set of circumstances rather than planning).Entirely unscientific and anecdotal.

I found it surprisingly easy to become omnivorous after veganism, never really got a taste for most meat but LOVED cheese and could enjoy chicken and fish and eggs - it was the right thing for me at the time (had had a restrictive ED) but now feels right to be vegan again. Or 'adopt a more compassionate or plant based diet' since the word vegan seems to start the most ridiculous discussions sometimes.

I don't think there's anything inherently morally wrong with animals (human or otherwise) eating other animals but I'm not satisfied the farm animal welfare standards in the U.K. are high enough nor are they properly enforced, there's also the problem that once you're a 'high welfare' meat or egg eater you might more easily consume them from other sources. It's just easier to be consistent.

Actually I've always taken that "joke" to mean that only vegans go on about their food choices.

Whereas ime omnivores are equally opinionated about other people's food choices, especially if those people are vegans or vegetarians.

I re-read my posts and they were very smug and bossy! You are right THERE..and I am sorry folks!!

I didn't mean to come across like that. I really am sorry/ I will check out the articles tomorrow- thank you!!!

Good for you Last takes guts to come back and admit you were a little bossy.

I shall return some of the !! night.

I was raised vegan by a hippy mum. Like a lot of people I rebelled as a teen - I decided I objected to having someone else make the decision about what I got to eat and tell me they'd made the moral decision on my part. So I went mad on 'bad' food - McDonalds as a teen and then when I went travelling, a bit of everything, from guinea pig in South America to horse in France etc. I even killed my own goat in Tanzania.

These days I'm still an omnivore although I'm pretty fussy about where I get my meat from. Gotta admit, Lastgirlontheleft's posts rather stirred up that old longing for immoral food and now I kinda want a portion of chicken nuggets which is very childish.

Personally, I think you do what you can to make the world a slightly better place and get through the day. No one gets it right entirely - even Lastgirlontheleft probably uses medication that was tested on animals - and the only person who you ultimately have to answer to on these things is yourself. Decide what matters to you, support those causes, be honest with yourself and kind when you can and find your own way. Good luck.

Thanks Grim!!! I really did not mean to offend anyone! I have always been rubbish wth words.

I was having a bad day and this thread cheered me right up. Thank you all. Last and her exclamation marks especially

"If you want to eat meat, then go ahead. You do it because you like it, and to hell with the poor animals, right?"

Damn right. I'm a carnivore and I eat them all. Nice and juicy, pink inside. If we were stranded up a mountain, better run fast because I'd probably eat you, too. HTH

last

You didn't offend me personally. I was simply.. bemused.

Brave, I probably do.

You are very welcome, Cote!

Likewise, Horatio.

Last

I am sorry too, for the piss taking

:)

Thanks Pyong. It upset me a LOT and I cried a wee bit. Thank you. xxxxxxx

Ahhh! Friends all round. That is making me happy :)

I am sorry if I made you cry, that really wasnt my intention. Genuinely I am very sorry for that.