Breaking : possible terror attack in Berlin

[MagicMary1]

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This is so sad.

Werkz, as far as I'm aware, the advert for the people to travel on the Windrush was placed by the owners of the ship, who had empty accommodation they obviously wanted to fill. The people of Jamaica had the right to entry to the UK under the British Nationality Act 1948.

Recruitment ads in the Caribbean postwar were usually for skilled staff, though also for domestic staff, and several government departments placed them. There really was a huge labour shortage in the UK postwar, you only have to read books from the time to see very different attitudes to labour and skills. I'd agree that the UK didn't know what migration would be like, but there's nothing mysterious about how it happened.

But this is the thing, annandale. No one can actually locate the records in government departments for those placements.

There was a radio programme about it (probably R4) last year with a researcher who had been trying to trace how the policy mechanism had run for the advertisement placements (who had made the decisions, how it had been discussed etc). And not only could he not find the records, but he was getting people saying that, as far as they could tell, their department had had nothing to do with placing those adverts. He spoke to people in charge of the archives for London Transport; they said they didn't do it. He spoke to local government archivists; same response. He trawled through central government archives and found the same thing. And he did say that it was a bit of a mystery who actually placed them because nobody seemed to have done it.

A shopping centre and train line have just been evacuated because of a suspicious package.

Where twogoats?

Where?

Berlin

Tagesspiegel newspaper: underground trains not running in Prenzlauer Berg in Berlin and shopping centre closed after suspicious object found

(From Sky News Twitter)

They say the Polish guy may grabbed the steaming weak and thereby prevented even more dead people.
If that's true he really is a hero.

But the intelligence agencies are said to have had the knowledge for months (!!!) that Amris was offering up himself as a suicide-attacker to the Islamists. I mean, seriously?!

And also, why was he there? Why was he seeking asylum from Tunisia - there's no war there?

He was denied but they haven't sent him back because of some passport issues. And because the Tunesian government initially refused to acknowledging him as a citizen or something (I'm not exactly sure. Please correct me if I'm wrong,..)

• btw...

The Polish guy grabbed the stearing wheel

steering

sorry. bad kimmy.

I really don' think that countries such as Germany and Belgium have quite woken up to the problem they have; and are just hoping it will all go away. The Brussels market is going on as normal this year and has been touted as an advert that everything is safe and normal when that patently is not the case. If it were, there would not be patrols of soldiers at the airport, with sniper nests on the roof. I don't understand how the Belgians can keep the law in place about not raiding homes between 2100 and 0500 (iirc) as it disturbs people. If they have the intelligence, then raid the bloody homes.

I've been to Leuven Christmas market this year, but am unsure if we will bother with the Brussels one, which is a shame, as I quite enjoy it. I don't things are over in Belgium or Germany by a long chalk, and I have no confidence whatsoever in the ability of the authorities in either country to deal with the threat effectively.

Utterly disgraceful that this man was allowed to walk the streets of Germany. The police knew he had known Isis links, he also served 4 years in prison in Italy for burning down a school and had been arrested 3 times in Germany already. They knew he had several Alias's and fake passports. They apparently had been 'watching' him but 'lost' him. Just how incompetent are the German police?? They too have blood on their hands.

If there are legal issues regarding deporting failed asylum seekers who are known criminals then the law needs to changed.

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I don't disagree. I imagine they are still quite aware that a police/intelligence agency with too much power can become very gestapo/Stasi like and want to avoid that. But yes, there needs to be an improvement!

The issue with sending people back is that you need a country to send them back to.

His family apparently claims he didn't use to be religious (unlike them) and was radicalised in jail...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/22/europe-has-painful-lessons-learn-berlin-attack/ says it all really (and it's not behind a pay wall). The Germans have to balance their past history with current security, and I think the latter has to win out.

It all seems a so strange: ID docs in the cab, fingerprints on the wheel. I don't really understand what could be going on here. Even in the worst of the IRA attacks, people didn't leave photos of themselves at bomb sites. [Confused]

For sure, I am so sorry for the poor souls who have lost their lives and loved ones.

Maybe he expected to be killed/the tank to explode or something and wanted his family to be notified

Idk, I agree, it's so weird.

It's common for terrorists to leave Id (especially on suicide missions). They seem to think they are doing something meaningfull and are more than happy for everyone to know who they are.

Well, there we have it...

But why didn't he suicide himself? I mean, isn't one of the reasons for these atrocities being a martyr?

Who knows? He might already have- or he might be planning more killings. Grim.

I agree, it's so weird. So? Was any of it 'real'? And what is 'real' now?

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So? Was any of it 'real'? And what is 'real' now?

What? Well, the dead people are certainly real. I wish nothing of this was real...

Was any of it 'real'?

Eh?

I agree. I dont think he meant to survive. I don't think we will find him alive.