That people in the south think they are better than those in the north

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That's it really.

I'm interested in your opinion.

By 'The South' - do you really mean London and the surrounding counties? Go on...be honest.

I personally have nothing against those from north of the Watford Gap. Although I only very recently learned that The afford Gap is not in Watford

It's hard to explain but in the North we are forced to consider the South. Incidents that happen in the South get deemed more newsworthy. It snows or floods in London and it's headline news on Today on Radio 4.

As I said, this crops up in more subtle ways - an interesting programme on R4 this evening, the Psychology of Money. They made two visits to a shopping centre to vox pop shoppers on their habits - guess which one, out of the towns and cities in the UK they chose?

BarbaraOfSeville

To be fair, we're only five minutes out of a major city by bus and we have no light pollution at all. We often lie in the garden watching the stars.

Limited you would have to make sure you chose somewhere not near many of the other large cities in the UK where the light polliution makes it impossible to see the stars.

Barbara why did you think I was limiting myself to the UK?

To quote a book I once read, 'all southerners eat in pret a manger, and all northerner go to Greggs'.

"I'll take that, Greggs is always our first port of call at arrivals, in Newcastle Airport. (Munches on a cheese and onion pasty). 🐽"

I'll give you one better than that, it's the pound bakery where I'm from. All your pasties are a pound. Can you imagine

Anyway coming back to the question. Yes some northerners think southerners think they're better. Not sure if southerners actually think this.

I will say that you can tell the difference in how friendly people are in the north compared to the south London. People smile, call you love and are generally just more helpful. And we're good at banter end of northern boasting

wasonthelist was it Salford Quays and the Trafford Centre?

Or is it just BBC One that always reports from on there? Honestly time to stop looking for a bias.

We have two for a pound bakeries here.

Imagine, two veggie sausage rolls for one English pound.

Basically, all this thread had shown that "Northerners" and "Southerners" are as biased and judgemental as each other.

And that some have a tight hold of their grips and treat people as individuals

Well yes, "as each other" means that there's a complete mix on both sides. some are, some aren't but clearly none are better than the other.

I've read this thread with bemusement at all the perceived slights.

Good summary

Brexit probably didn't help the north south divide

Brexit probably didn't help the north south divide

You are probably right, and from what I overheard in a pub in Halifax, at least one man voted to leave because he didn't like southerners.

Brexit probably didn't help the north south divide

Didn't Cornwall, the most southerly part of southern England, vote to leave?

So did Devon, most of Dorset, Hampshire, Kent, Essex, Suffolk, I could continue.

London voted remain. So really you meant "Brexit didn't help the London rest of the country (except Scotland and Northern Ireland) divide.

Brexit didn't help UK vs UK divide.

That's it basically. It started a very public ball rolling of thinking others are worse than they are. It's always been a temptation but I think Brexit really brought it to the fore.

Brexit vs. Remain
London vs wherever I am
North vs South

Brexit probably didn't help the north south divide

Why?

London voted remain. So really you meant "Brexit didn't help the London rest of the country (except Scotland and Northern Ireland) divide.

But within all those regions that might have voted overall to leave, there were lots of remain votes. Not forgetting all the towns that voted for remain. Cambridge, Oxford, Manchester, Brighton, St Albans, and Bristol being the ones outside Scotland, Northern Ireland and Greater London with the highest remain votes.

I'm in South London and get called 'love' all the time. I agree that Northerners are more friendly on the surface but Londoners have a more subtle kind of camaraderie- a sort of Dunkirk spirit which tends to come out at times when there's a major transport fuck up. I was on a bus the other day and this middle aged white man with dreadlocks stood up and launched into a rap/performance poetry medley. Other passengers glanced up and there was just this moment when lots of people caught someone else's eye, smiled and went back to their phone/book. I had about 6 years of taking a child in a buggy to nursery and there genuinely wasn't a single day when someone didn't offer to help me carry the buggy up/down the stairs.
DH is Northern Irish and it was such a culture shock the first time I visited. We did this coastal walk and every time we passed someone coming the other way, they would smile broadly and say 'Hello, how are you, lovely day'etc. I genuinely thought DH must know them all. It did my head in.

Scared, equally in 'remain' areas a proportion of voters wanted to leave.

38% of the Scottish vote was leave.

I know lost, I was responding to the idea that there is a "London/NI/Scotland vs the rest" Brexit divide.

I agree with your point of view Scared.

I've lived in both in the north (Newcastle upon Tyne) and the south (Essex). My parents were both from the Northeast.
In my experience it is Geordies that have a superiority complex, not southerners. They tend to obsess over 'softy' southerners and think they are all rich and priveledged. They also think they are the friendliest people on earth (not my experience, as an outsider). My Mum thought my ex inlaws, from the east end of London, were the friendliest most down to earth people she had ever met.
On the other hand, southerners never really think of northerners at all, and tend to not be aware of any north/south divide. I suppose that could be seen as a form of priveledge, in the same way that white people tend not to see racism.
Just my personal experience, and of course it all comes down to individuals in the end.

Everyone I know hates the northern accent (not helpful?)

THE northern accent uber?