That people in the south think they are better than those in the north

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That's it really.

I'm interested in your opinion.

I have the report but CBA to read the methodology again

I don't blame you, please don't link it 😂😂

I thought it was north of Watford Gap. Which is a lot further north than Watford.

Nan its norf of Watford always was

North / South is not so clear cut.
Rough parts in the south east - there are loads of them.
Leafy Cheshire, retirement havens in the lakes and the Peak District. Posh west wirral, York and skipton.
It's all in the mix..

DP is northern, I am southern. I call him monkey hanger, he calls me weak-ass southern fairy. Honestly, its swings and roundabouts.

Also, the south does not have Parmo, which is fucking tragic.

In a nutshell... South is better than North. London is better than everywhere. But North London is better than South London. (lobs grenade and runs...)

CBA reading the whole thread, but what's worse than Southerners who assume they're automatically "better" than Northerners? Inverted snob Northerners with a silly chip on their shoulder who think everyone from Dahn Sarf is posh. It really, really irritates me. Even if it mattered, it's just fucking inaccurate. The Duke of Devonshire is a Northerner, after all. You do us all down and perpetuate stupid stereotypes with your assumptions.

ellemcelle have your grenade back all west London trumps the rest of London!

Anything below Teeside is not the North.

Liverpool and Manchester are virtually the midlands!

I think the media perpetuate the North/South divide and seem to "pit" the two against each other.

There will, of course, be examples of Southerners thinking they're better and visa-versa.

As a personal story, my DGM was a Southerner, who lived up North nearly all her life - she hated the South, it was amusing.

Then as mentioned, where is the "North"? It is banded around that Southerners think it is anything North of the Watford Gap. To me, coming from the North West (and only thinking of England, as opposed to the UK which then accounts for Scotland), the "North" doesn't begin until Chester.

As opposed to the stereotypes it isn't "grim up North" and not everyone is "posh" or has a chip on their shoulder down South, there are good and bad places and people all over the country.

I'll get shot down for this but I sort of agree. I remember a new kid coming to my class from London and he was amazed that we had the internet and trains. I think he thought we all had flat caps and mines and our entertainment was watching whippets run around the terraced streets.

But I think there is a sort of snobbery going on in that some people from the South think anything above Watford gap isn't worth visiting. I think they also tend to think that we all live in these huge industrial wastelands. I'll never understand why Kent is the Garden of England when Yorkshire and Cumbria are far more beautiful, but there you go.

At least Liverpool and Manchester are far and away better than London now. We get all the proper West End shows and everything and we don't even have to remortgage our house to go see them!

I think you'll find its sarf london, Elle.

My autocorrect changed sarf to hard which is pleasing.

I think there are lots of insecure and chippy people about, and they are best ignored and pitied. Most people really don't think like this. Perhaps its banter.

"At least Liverpool and Manchester are far and away better than London now. We get all the proper West End shows and everything and we don't even have to remortgage our house to go see them!"

See its things like that, that will annoy people. So just to retort, you get the discount because you get the naff cast, no one who is West End level goes on the tour of the provinces, oh and you get them when the run is done in London, years later.

In reality ALL of these places have merit, and most of the snobbery is done by those who've never been anywhere else.

I'll never understand why Kent is the Garden of England when Yorkshire and Cumbria are far more beautiful, but there you go.

It's because Kent is known for fruit and veg growing. Nothing to do with claiming to be more beautiful.

I understand what you are saying Doob but it's not my assumptions...it's my experience and that's very different.

I fully appreciate that my experience doesn't resonate with everyone or even make it "true" in the general sense - but it doesn't invalidate it - exactly same way people who live in the South have experienced the reverse.

Posting a thread doesn't exacerbate these stereotypes, it just holds a mirror up to it. If that provokes some discussion and also provides some illumination (certainly for me about the reverse "northern" snobbery) then I think that's no bad thing.

ProudBadMum you say you got preggers in London, but also that all southerners are soft? So how did that happen? Did he tie it to a cocktail stick. Or just thumb it in?

Dierdre he was a traitor not a true southerner you see. He moved down there from up here.

Like putting a marshmallow through a keyhole

It wasn't like*

If Kent can't be the Garden of England, why does Yorkshire have to be "Gods own Country" far more pretentious lol.

I think people in the South don't even consider for second people in the North.

Why would they.

I grew up in Wales. I wasn't aware of this N/S thing until I was in my 20s. Honestly who cares?

I can understand what MrsMatt is saying - we can do more with our money further up than you can down South.

Not in any way saying North is better, but while the Southern wages are higher - there is still a huge difference in cost of living to earnings ratio down South.

Oh I agree, what buys a flat in London buys so much more up north, and the cost of living is cheaper too. There are benefits to everywhere I reckon, only people who are insecure are the ones who get all hoity toity about it.

ProudBadMum I suppose pushing a marshmallow through a keyhole can have a certain sexual frisson. I'll look it up on Pornhub.

Funnily enough I was talking to DH earlier about possibly moving north or to Scotland in the future as we really cannot afford to live in this part of the country (south east). He was really quite snooty about the idea! Not just saying it is cheaper because it is deprived and there are no jobs (apparently!) but also about the people. I was shocked. Now, I have both southern and northern parents but was brought up in wales until we moved here when I was a teenager because step dads family are from here. So I have no real "homeland" and no loyalty to any area. I have sisters who live up north though I never see them. I'd happily live anywhere really as long as I had work and a home. Even better if that home was a third of the price of one here as I'd have a better quality of living on the same income. DH disagrees as he feels the negatives of being 'up north' would outweigh this!
I'm not really sure what to do with that. But it does prove the OP's point rather...