To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

"Digital automation just destroys jobs without replacing them. "

user I don't think that's a statement that can be just given as fact. I think we can't know how it will change the job market.

But that means that the men whose places are now occupied by women need to do something else

They could do what many women do who aren't working - and look after the children instead?

I could have confronted her but what good would that have done? Why would she have cared?

And that have been the problems women face trying to get into certain jobs.
I'm sorry that it happened to you, but I hope it gives you some empathy towards women.

Indeed they could look after children. As long as all their partners are happy with that then that would be fine.

But my other prediction is that the nuclear family and monogamous relationships will go into decline. People will operate more on their own.

Houses and children will be an unaffordable encumbrance and because working life will so fungible no one will be able to settle down. Already things are changing. Polygamy is becoming more popular among the young and sex more divorced from love. Women are having less children and later. More people are now single and living alone than ever before in history.

Or the other possibility is that social/environmental crisis will force people into more tribal communities.

But a family with a couple married for life and careers for life? That's going.

If you look at out last recruitment campaign unfortunately it really did exclude white males. I'm not outing it here but if anyone wants the link just ask. It's things like this that doesn't do very well for females in my job. There wasn't one white male in the recruitment campaign

That's wrong Hannah. It's a crude and unfair way of dealing with a complex problem.

What area do you work in if I may ask?

At the coding level possibly user. At the requirements/engineering level they will grow.
Years ago people were worried computers would take their jobs. All that's happened is we now have millions of jobs understanding/supporting/implementing/developing computers. I would think robots/machine automation will be the same.
But yes, we will see

Please ignore the next post, just woke up and this was bugging me.

Someone way upthread said that older men sleep with young women as they are are driven to make healthy babies. That's rubbish though as an older man and a younger woman are not a good biological fit. Surely the woman, who is driven by the same urges, would reject the older man.

Or maybe the system is set up in the older mans advantage and younger women are treated as prizes and things, not people.

The idea that there are loads of older men having sex with younger women in an attempt to make perfect babies is shit. It's an absolute crock of shit idea. If you came up with it then you need to think a little bit harder.

Sorry, I'll catch up on thread after work.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Downs-syndrome/Pages/Causes.aspx

Scroll down and read about the likelihood of downs syndrome with older mothers

Besides, that aside, what is wrong with having a preference of a younger woman? We all have dating preferences

sigh

Or maybe the system is set up in the older mans advantage and younger women are treated as prizes and things, not people.

In the same way that an older man, who by the way happens to be rich, may be a prize to a younger woman! It's not a one way street.

Peak 'attractiveness' age seems to be older in men (mid-thirties) than in women (mid-twenties). There isn't anything sexist about this, it's biological preference.

Nah, it's all a patriarchal social construct. Of course women can date who they want but men can't

Woman dates man 20 years her junior.. envied and admired!

Man dates woman 20 years his junior... regarded as a exploitative perv.

That's the double standard that puts people off feminism.

"Woman dates man 20 years her junior.. envied and admired!

Man dates woman 20 years his junior... regarded as a exploitative perv."

Where are women dating men 20 years their junior envied and admired? Aren't they usually thought of as pathetic and deluded?

Older men fancy younger women and of course that's been shown in many a study to be because the women can have more babies. It is also the reason across all cultures men prefer a female body shape which is most fertile. However those older men who are better off are in demand and men who don't have so much to offer in our current sexist societies find it harder to get wives.

I certainly agree more people are living alone (although is partly because we live longer and your spouse dies ) but is someone saying that is a bad thing? I love post divorce not living with a partner (although I do live with the children). I cannot imagine wanting to move anyone back in again.

I don't think polygamy is particularly more common but certainly men and women who are attractive tend to have more partners, no doubt about that.

Women only have 20% of positions of power in the UK so we have a very very long way to go before we get them at the top. Time and again from the Brexit Supreme Court hearings to many board meeting photographs in the FT it is men men men all the way. Women have a huge way to go to get equality in the UK. We have just got started and are nowhere near there yet.

Where are women dating men 20 years their junior envied and admired? Aren't they usually thought of as pathetic and deluded?

Perhaps, but not generally by feminists.

"Perhaps, but not generally by feminists."

I really don't think this is true. Who says?

Tech is a growth industry but the number of jobs available in it will diminish as more and more intelligent algorithms are developed. Watch and see.

I don't actually think this is true, algorithms don't fall from the sky they require to be designed coded and tested. The problem is that IMO there are no "systemic" barriers stopping women from becoming software developers. The industry itself is a spectacular success but it's generally regarded that most of the nuts and bolt work is done by men. In the management tiers, women are usually already over-represented www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-we-dont-need-more-women-katy-sherman - this is my experience as well. It kind of feels like "oh - we'll have a piece of that" - because often the people who push to get women into industries they think are attractive - actually have no interest in the topic or what it involves themselves.

Have you ever met a women who has said anything like "I really wanted to be a coder, I love it but I just feel like I wouldn't get a job/the industry is not for me and no one would take me seriously ?" Because on the off chance that any young women who might be considering a career in software are reading this - i can guarantee you that this is absolutely not the case.

The older boss dating his younger secretary I suspect no one has a problem with. The older boss secretly sleeping with his secretary while his wife is at home doing the wife work is a different story.

I don't imagine there are swathes of young men lining up to date older the women either, unless there is something more to it. Older women who hook up with, say a waiter on holiday and bring him back, are thought to be deluded. Because they usually are. If the relationship was genuine and lasted for years, I imagine most people would be pleased for them.

It's not the age gap per se that's a problem.

And how would you get more men involved in female dominated areas? - it is difficult when so many women actively oppose this.

Men working with children are frequently suspected of Paedophilia - nasty remarks, comments about "inappropriateness" which would be fine if done by a woman.

Childcare is almost always the woman's decision and she will rarely choose a male childminder. (She might choose a male nanny for her boys when they are older but not for her girls)

Male SAHPs are becoming more and more common - but it is bloody hard for them at the school gates, at the baby groups, arranging playdates. (I know because ex DP did it for years.)

Bertrand

Actually you're right. My comment was ill-considered.

And how would you get more men involved in female dominated areas? - it is difficult when so many women actively oppose this.

It's the fucking battle that women have had to fight in reverse.

Men working with children are as suspected of paedophilia as women.
But nobody thinks it's odd to have a male children s football coach. Yet, it's claimed that a male infant teacher will be suspected. It doesn't make sense.

IMO there are no "systemic" barriers stopping women from becoming software developers.
Your "opinion" isnt relevant and just makes it clear how ill informed you are. Go and do some reading. There is loads of research out there about the barriers girls and women face to careers in tech.

This is a good example www.iflscience.com/technology/women-are-seen-better-coders-only-if-their-gender-isnt-known/

I think there are barriers to both men and women entering areas that are traditionally dominated by the opposite gender - including opposition from women. Patriarchy works both ways and as feminists we have to accept that.

Neither men nor women should be using their power to fuck younger people in their employ. Consistency is important here.