To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

You know, I don't think I've ever come across women going to Thailand to have sex with young boys. I must lead a very sheltered life.

Girl- if you had anything to do with secondary schools you would know that boys are hugely put off reading by the time they hit year 7. The same does not apply at least to the same extent to girls.

Miss- don't forget that link, will you?

"However, for some on here, it is far easier to refer everyone to Cordelia Fine and assert (with very little evidence) that gender is entirely a social construct "

But neither Cordelia Fine nor feminists in general believe gender (in the sense that you mean here: the existence of behavioural differences between the sexes) is entirely a social construct.

That is what you would like us to think so you can see us as militant and dogmatic and therefore dismiss our arguments.

FYI this is is what Cordelia Fine actually says:

"my perspective is one in which the developmental path is constructed, step by step, out of the continuous and dynamic interaction between brain, genes and environment"

The continuous and dynamic interaction between brain, genes and environment? A nuanced and complex picture isn't it?

And whilst there is not much we can do about genes there is an awful lot we can do about the environment and - as it's increasingly turning out to be the case- the brain.

typing. Originally considered a male job as it was thought it required stamina

I learnt to type on a manual typewriter - steep and heavy cast iron keyboards, it is a lot harder physical work than modern electronic keyboards.

There are several possibilities.

1. It is alright for a fifty year old male to have sex with his twenty year old female PA but it is not alright for a fifty year old female to have sex with her twenty year old male PA.

2. It is alright for both the fifty year old male and fifty year old female to do this.

3. It is alright for neither the fifty year old male or fifty year old female to do this.

4. It is alright for the fifty year old female to do this this but not the fifty year old male.

I would say that both 1 and 4 are completely indefensible positions, so the answer must be either 2 or 3.

So men are selective breeding now? My mother had me at 19 with a 20 year old man i have a birth defect

I'm confused

I'm all right with consenting adults having sex. That's pretty much the end of how I see it.

I'm starting to think there must be two FWR forums, because what's being posted about here bears no relation to the one I participate in. Where is this forum where we all celebrate sex tourism, tell boys they're stupid, tell male teachers they're paedophiles, and don't like science?

Very odd. Possibly it's the multiverse and I've slipped into another part again and not noticed. Dammit.

Less likely MrsJayy

For the record, I don't have an issue with consenting adults having sex. "Consenting" means real consent on both sides without the exercise of money or power.

"Like I wrote up thread it's logical for any man to go for a younger woman. Less chance of birth defects. Feminists tend not to like science when it doesn't favour them"

I don't think evolutionary science itself is above a good dose of white male bias.

I'm confused

I'm all right with consenting adults having sex. That's pretty much the end of how I see it.

Right so no one here has an issue with 50 year old men in the higher echelons of corporate finance shagging female underlings young enough to be their daughters? Just as long as its consensual.

Ok, well then there isn't a problem then.

Right Bertrand - but in my example both the male and female boss had the influence of money and power.

User. I think you may not quite understand what "consent" means.

"Consenting" means real consent on both sides without the exercise of money or power.

^^this

So presumably a sexual relationship could only be truly consensual if both parties (which ever were male and female) both had completely equal occupational and economic status?

Like I wrote up thread it's logical for any man to go for a younger woman. Less chance of birth defects. Feminists tend not to like science when it doesn't favour them
There is also less chance of autism from a younger father but strangely you have mentioned this

*haven't stupid phone

"So presumably a sexual relationship could only be truly consensual if both parties (which ever were male and female) both had completely equal occupational and economic status?"

No. it could only be truly consenting if neither part brought their money or power into the equation.

What are we talking about, please?

sorry user, I can't keep up with which user is which but to whoever asked

"Right so no one here has an issue with 50 year old men in the higher echelons of corporate finance shagging female underlings young enough to be their daughters?"

I can't speak for anyone else but again - consenting sex, so no one blackmailing anyone either for promotion or because they know where the bodies are buried - fully consensual sex, yes, fine. You could easily switch the sexes there btw and I'd still say fine.

as for feminists and science, I can think of at least two 50 something men who would be fecking horrified if their 20 somethings got pregnant, but happily they've had the snip. Not everything is about the behbehz - in fact that's my main struggle with feminism but that's a whole other thread.

OP, I'm glad that you now see that your post last night was a bit unresonable. The feminist board here is much like other boards on the internet, good in parts but prone to become echo chambers.

I read some of the posts and occassionally post something myself, but usually early on as some of the threads just descend into farce.

Lessthan,

I am glad you replied. So do you accept that at least some gendered behaviour has a biological cause?

"Right Bertrand - but in my example both the male and female boss had the influence of money and power."

Yes indeedy User and in theory your example presents an equal playing field. However in reality your first category is far more likely to exist than the fourth and that is the problem.

Which once again brings us back to the economy, the biological economy and to blue and pink cards.

What does consent mean in this context? Genuine question.

A guy in his 50's - a big shot financier - has a sexual relationship with his secretary. She exhibits enthusiastic consent.

A rich and powerful woman has an affair with a junior male employee. He too exhibits enthusiastic consent.

Are therefore both situations equally fine and absolutely none of anyones business to comment on?

I'm not presuming an answer though, just asking because I really don't get it. Explain it to me.

Like I wrote up thread it's logical for any man to go for a younger woman. Less chance of birth defects. Feminists tend not to like science when it doesn't favour them

Hmm, birth defects increased both my advanced maternal AND paternal age.
So your 65yo man who has kids with a 20yo has increased risk of having children with chromosomes defects, autism etc..., just like an 'older mum' has.
And it does start at 40yo too, just like for women.

The difference is that, somehow they can still reproduce whereas women will struggle more on a fertility level and will not be able to have a child from 50yo onwards (well not naturally anyway)

user " because I really don't get it. Explain it to me."

I don't get what it is that you don't get. If I did, i would try to explain!