To lol at the feminism threads....

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Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

The trouble with "NAMALT" vs "not all feminists are the same" is that the OP is specifically complaining about the MN FWR board. The same FWR board which is quite widely (here and elsewhere) known to be pissing off third wavers with its refusal to accept gender politics. But the OP is complaining about the FWR board but then using examples of choosey choosey feminism?

So, Anita Sarkesian spoke about online gendered violence. Not challenging feminism, but actually insulting and threatening women, in general, but she talked about her experience as a feminist activist, which seems to be a cause for much aggravation for certain people.

"Many feminists are also bullies. If you subscribe to the writings of Hoff Summers and Paglia you are bullied into believing that Dworkin and Greer are gospel. Sort of like gaslighting"

Would I be considered bullying if I asked you where this happens?

Bertrand I can supply links and will if you want but unfortunately the source will be instantly discredited not because of content but because of their objective not mine

But that's the point, Just.

its right that a woman should choose when and if they have children

It's couples who choose to have children. Not women. With the exception of women who use sperm banks, it's generally not something we can do on our own!

Yet it's only women who are affected negatively. Not just due to time off for maternity leave, but because workplaces expect it to be the woman who takes time off for hospital appointments/sick days and the like. It's not equal.

The introduction of parental leave and parents being able to decide who should take it and when has recognised and begun to address this.

just I'd like to see the links please.

Not just due to time off for maternity leave, but because workplaces expect it to be the woman who takes time off for hospital appointments/sick days and the like. It's not equal.

This.

Sarkeesian is a fraud. Sorry but it's difficult to believe she uses all that money for low budget YT videos. She also admits to not playing video games which is very evident to how wrong her Tropes vs Women series is

an EU statute ‘for the promotion of tolerance’ lists ‘anti-feminism’ as a viewpoint that ought to be eliminated. In a wonderful display of Orwellian doublespeak, the statute claims to ‘promote tolerance within society’ by ‘condemn[ing] all manifestations of intolerance based on bias, bigotry and prejudice’. In other words, we must promote tolerance by not tolerating intolerance. And we must tolerate feminism, not as a political ideology, but as a protected human right, as a personal belief.

Copied and pasted sorry

Oh. I was right.

'I do think women should be paid the same for equal work but I don't actually think they DO equal work as they all spend so much time faffing having children.'

I'm not going to be the one to educate you, Just. But why not ponder on a few things?

• do all (or even most) women who are paid less than men have children? If not, why then are THEY paid less than men doing the same job?
• why do most women who DO have children end up having to take years out? When you consider that most children have two parents?

And Bertrand look at historic FWR threads. Many have been bullied off for disagreeing

Would I be considered bullying if I asked you where this happens?

Yes, BR, apparently, these days asking too many questions is considered bullying.

How can they be doing equal work at the company if they are not there? Interesting that you think I implied faffing, I didnt

an EU statute ‘for the promotion of tolerance’ lists ‘anti-feminism’ as a viewpoint that ought to be eliminated...........And we must tolerate feminism, not as a political ideology, but as a protected human right, as a personal belief.

Since feminism means the belief that women are of equal worth to men and should have equal opportunities, I'm not sure what the problem with this is?

Please provide me the evidence of the childless women not earning the same as a man for the exact same job, citation needed

In other words, we must promote tolerance by not tolerating intolerance

And what is wrong with that?
Seriously.

Are we supposed to tolerate people saying all women are bitches? Or that black people are stupid? Or that all Muslims /Irish are terrorists?
If so, why?

"Copied and pasted sorry"

What from?

How can they be doing equal work at the company if they are not there?

????
When a woman is at work, employed by a company, to do a role in which men are also employed, she should be paid an equal wage.
If she chooses to take a few years off to raise children, or more likely is forced by a patriarchal society to do so, then her earning power will have reduced. She will need to work twice as hard to catch up (but still won't be paid the same when she does).

The point being made was that if society held men to be equally responsible in the role of childrearing, then men and women would have largely the same amount of time off work.

6 months for giving birth and maternity leave followed by 6 months of paternity leave, followed by an equal split of time off for other parental duties and parents would both have had the same amount of time off work. Therefore, the impact on their careers would be equal and they would both not be there not doing equal work at the company. And there wouldn't be a gender pay gap, people would recognise that having a child impacts negatively upon a person's career.

And then that would be addressed, or it would be considered a universal consequence of having children and not one that was exclusive to women.

And you should be free to argue against an ideology but not promote violence against it

How can they be doing equal work at the company if they are not there?

They are there. Equal pay for equal job and equal hours.

But, as pointed out, the children issue is being addressed by giving men more time and responsibility regarding children. Which is good.

Society forces people to have children?

Just, where is that quote about the EU stature and anti feminism copied and pasted from??

"And Bertrand look at historic FWR threads. Many have been bullied off for disagreeing"

Could you link to one, please? Maybe the Paglia/Dworkin one you mentioned? Or another?

Ghost exactly thank you