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MIL and daughter's hat.

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doomf · 08/12/2016 10:14

My MIL looks after my DD one day a week (Tuesday) and her other grand daughter one day a week (Wednesday).

I bought my daughter a lovely hat last year to go with a coat she had. The hat went missing at the end of last winter and I'd searched high and low for it it to no avail. Is asked MIL if she'd seen it and she swore blind she hadn't (I was pretty sure the last time she'd worn it was to her house). A few weeks ago I lamented to MIL that it was a shame id never found the hat as it would still have fit my DD this winter and she agreed.

Yesterday afternoon I'd taken a day off work and had gone into town with my DD only to run into my MIL and her other grand daughter...wearing the bloody hat!!!

AIBU to think that you just don't do that?!

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eddielizzard · 10/12/2016 12:15

thing is, she has helped you out every week. so while you haven't strictly needed the help financially she must have provided some kind of support.

only you know her character - hard for us to extrapolate. what is she like with your dd? she clearly feels your dd has too much stuff - do you think she is subtly making this known to your dd? kids might be young, but they're not stupid and she might be picking up vibes.

does your dd look forward to days with her granny?

from now on i'd let your dd dictate how often she wants to spend time with her, rather than a weekly all day thing.

doomf · 10/12/2016 12:27

bastard

Confused jeez read the thread.

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december10th · 10/12/2016 12:28

You could have just phoned BIL or SIL to say that MIL had mistakenly given their DC your DD's hat.But no. you had to 'catch out' your MIL cause unpleasantness for the whole extended family, cost your family whatever 8 months childcare at £40 a day costs.
I don't think the MIL is the only crazy one!

Mynestisfullofempty · 10/12/2016 12:33

I have never read a thread like this! So many people ignoring the FACTS to defend the MIL and attack the OP. Absolutely ridiculous.

Chippednailvarnishing · 10/12/2016 12:34

Except it appears that Bil and Sil don't have the hat, the Mil has it, somewhere... So what would be the point of calling Bil and Sil?

Cocolepew · 10/12/2016 12:38

I don't understand why MIL thinks BIL is skint. They might be a bit short atm if they have had to replace windows and a boiler, but that would have cost thousands that they obviously had.
I doubt they are down to their last cracker.

december10th · 10/12/2016 12:45

So many people ignoring the FACTS to defend the MIL and attack the OP
They are not ignoring the facts, they just think the whole matter is too trivial to cause so much bad feeling

Dani240 · 10/12/2016 12:54

If she thought her DGD didn't have enough then she should have bought her a nice hat. The fact that she instead took her other DGD's hat, which she knew was a special hat that was being searched for, shows that it was malicious. I hope that she's sufficiently embarrassed by all of this that she never pulls this kind of stunt again.

ArmfulOfRoses · 10/12/2016 13:01

Bertrand I don't understand why you keep telling the op they need to talk to mil to find out what's going on.
They have, they both have separately, mil has explained what's going on.
She thinks it's ok to steal from one gc to give to the other.

eyelevelgrill · 10/12/2016 13:12

There once was a mum with a daughter
Whose shadow got suddenly shorter
Now It's not just a hat
It is much worse than that
Granny nicked it but then the mum caught 'er

DeepanKrispanEven · 10/12/2016 13:20

You could have just phoned BIL or SIL to say that MIL had mistakenly given their DC your DD's hat.But no. you had to 'catch out' your MIL cause unpleasantness for the whole extended family, cost your family whatever 8 months childcare at £40 a day costs.

But BIL and SIL didn't have the hat, it was at MIL's house - in fact it's not too clear if they even knew it existed. And how would OP "catch out" her MIL if MIL simply handed the hat back to her and said something like "Sorry, I was going to give it back, I just needed a warm hat for niece that day" - which is the rational thing to have done.

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Pollyanna9 · 10/12/2016 13:25

For all of those posting 'oh poor GD is going to miss out on this fabulous relationship with her GM', two things.

Firstly, how will it be 'missing out' if as she grows and obviously becomes more aware of family dynamics, she's going to know how she's the less favoured of the two GC? How that acidic and unpleasant dynamic is going to affect what presents she gets off the MIL (if she gets any at all), the nasty comments she'll get from MIL if GD gets a lovely birthday present from Mr & Mrs Doomf and granny says "Oh I wish other son could afford that for his children do you know how lucky you are unfavoured one?". Who would want that for their child? Do not underestimate the truly devastating effect it has on children to have to endure that favouritism which is not that uncommon amongst GPs (my DD is the non favourite GC and it's ripped her heart out). So for those saying just keep the peace there's the consequence I've just described to think about (which I've no doubt OP is thinking about already and wisely so).

Secondly, OP could possibly move on if MIL was willing to say "Christ I'm really sorry I've been an utter twat, I apologise, let's move on". But she isn't saying that. In fact, she's confirmed that the totally unjustified resentment she feels WILL continue - she is clearly 100% in her mind that what she did and how she feels is absolutely ok. And that means that reasonably OP could expect further instances of reappropriation of DDs things because in MILs mind, it's completely justifiable. This behaviour WILL continue.

alfagirl73 · 10/12/2016 13:45

So many people having a go at the OP without reading the thread properly or really thinking about the situation. Let's look at the facts:

  1. OP had purchased, from what she says, a rather expensive coat and matching hat for her DD which clearly meant a lot. (This clearly wasn't a £1 job from poundland - but even if it was - that's not the point!).
  1. The hat went missing and for some considerable time, the OP repeatedly stated to MIL how sad and disappointed she was at the hat being missing as her DD could have still enjoyed the use of it.
  1. MIL was fully aware of which hat it was, what it looked like (she described it) and that OP was extremely keen to find it.
  1. Throughout that time, MIL knew exactly where the hat was, lied about it, and not only that, she had found the item and treated it as though it was her property to do with as she pleased ie. give it to another child. In law, this is theft: Intent to deprive the owner of their property, and, actively and KNOWINGLY doing so!
  1. MIL had numerous opportunities to "come clean" but made the CHOICE to repeat the lie and to continue to deprive the OP's DD of her property.
  1. Upon discovering the deceit and discussing it with MIL, OP's MIL ADMITTED that she had found the hat some time ago, and instead of calling up OP saying "I've found your DD's hat", made the CHOICE to keep quiet and decide that another child was more deserving of the item. MIL has openly admitted this and has shown absolutely no remorse for her actions.

It does not matter that it was "only a hat". Aside from the fact that the OP has made clear it was expensive and was part of a matching outfit for her DD, it actually does not matter whether it was a hat, iPad, or anything else. The item BELONGED to the OP's DD and therefore the MIL did not have the right to a) lie about finding it and b) give it to someone else when she CLEARLY knew who the hat belonged to and that the owner was keenly looking for it! She deliberately deprived the owner (the OP's DD) of the item of it's use.

The OP is not being unreasonable. Many people here seem to be missing the point that this hat belonged to a 4 year old child. By doing what she did, the MIL sends the message to BOTH her DGDs that if someone else has more than you and you think it's unfair, you simply decide that you are more deserving of the item and take it! Apply this exact principle in a wider context and it's fine then for me to see someone's Ferrari and decide that, notwithstanding the fact I cannot afford it, I am in fact more deserving, so I can just take it... and when the police come to arrest me, my defence will be that the owner should be more sensitive to the fact I'm more skint than them and shouldn't flash their Ferrari at me!

The OP has stood up for her DD and taught her that no, it's not okay for someone to steal from her and it's certainly not okay for her grandmother to steal from her, lie about it repeatedly, show no remorse, and actually blame her for having something nice!

This is not about "just a hat" - it's about the principle, the message it sends to the two children, and the simple fact that if it's not yours, you don't steal it and lie about it! To my mind if a child's grandmother is prepared to steal from that child, lie about it and show absolutely no remorse, I too would be questioning whether that was the sort of person I'd want looking after that child as it is demonstrative of the level of respect (or lack thereof) that the grandparent has for that child.

Mynestisfullofempty · 10/12/2016 13:50

alfagirl73 I agree with you, except for all the times when you say that the MIL "found" the hat. I don't think it was ever lost. She took the hat for the other child.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/12/2016 13:53

I am utterly baffled by people like usual who are saying they wouldn't care if someone took something they had bought, without their agreement, and gave it to someone else.

I wonder how far it extends. Using usual as an example, for ease (though she's not the only one who thinks this is OK, iirc), I wonder if usual has a car, because ds2 has just passed his driving test and can't afford one - so it should be fine and dandy for me to take usual's car and give it to ds2.

Or if someone meets usual in a cafe and sees that usual has a cake, but the little boy at the next table has no cake - it should be fine to whip the cake off usual's plate and give it to the little boy - because usual thinks that sort of thing is OK.

dontpokethebear · 10/12/2016 13:59

Am I going to be the only one to acknowledge eyelevelgrills limerick?
bravo eyelevel Xmas Grin

Pollyanna9 · 10/12/2016 14:02

Nope dontpokethebear - that limerick was the best!

HaloJonesisgoingout · 10/12/2016 14:05

Completely agree Pollyanna. I was the unfavoured GC. It still affects me and I'm in my 40's with my own DC.

My Granny was awful to me to hurt my Mum (her DiL) because I'm very like my Mum and she thought her son had "married beneath him". On my 5th birthday she bought me a kind of knock off French Sindy doll, which I was pretty chuffed with until she handed my cousin the same doll but the bride version with all the accessories and my sister the Secretary version with all the stuff including a clockwork typewriter that was the most coveted thing EVAH. Leaving aside 70's gender stereotypes, she gave my female relatives the much better things on my birthday. I was really upset. More so when my Granny declared me selfish for making a fuss. But, as the OP has rightly done, my Mum stood up for me.

That wasn't about a doll and this isn't about a hat, it's about standing up for your DD when a MiL uses her as a way of getting at her DiL.

HaloJonesisgoingout · 10/12/2016 14:08

And the limerick was genius! Xmas Smile

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Blistory · 10/12/2016 14:15

This is all getting a bit "mean girls" . Posters are being rounded upon simply for expressing different views.

It's pretty off to name and shame a poster the way that is being done here.

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