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MIL and daughter's hat.

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doomf · 08/12/2016 10:14

My MIL looks after my DD one day a week (Tuesday) and her other grand daughter one day a week (Wednesday).

I bought my daughter a lovely hat last year to go with a coat she had. The hat went missing at the end of last winter and I'd searched high and low for it it to no avail. Is asked MIL if she'd seen it and she swore blind she hadn't (I was pretty sure the last time she'd worn it was to her house). A few weeks ago I lamented to MIL that it was a shame id never found the hat as it would still have fit my DD this winter and she agreed.

Yesterday afternoon I'd taken a day off work and had gone into town with my DD only to run into my MIL and her other grand daughter...wearing the bloody hat!!!

AIBU to think that you just don't do that?!

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QueenLizIII · 09/12/2016 13:17

It really really isnt about a hat. I think you need to have been in the situation to understand it. I mean a situation where a parent blatantly favours one child over the other and then it get projected on to the next generation.

I was raised in a low income family. Which meant I had no contribution to education at all. At university I got not a single penny. Not a single book bought for me, no money for clothes or food and not anything for my graduation paid for. I just took the hit and used my overdraft, credit card for graduation.

Now though after having years and years of paying back heavy uni debts. I am doing ok. My sister didnt go to university and doesn't earn much, though her husband does so he pays for what they need. The problem with that is, although her DH pays for the essentials, she doesn't have a huge amount of her own spending money. My mum thinks I have more than my sister because of this reason.

For example when I bought some skin care items that were a good brand my sister said god I cant afford that and she looked pissed. I have a few items of better quality high street clothes such as Karen Millen but I bought these clothes in the back end of the sale when they were 60% off. I never buy full price clothes. Also it is my money and I work for it. It was remarked to me that sister cant afford these clothes and they dont like it.

My mum said the "poor" children are wearing boots and next brand clothing. For a start what is wrong with that? Then I reminded her they are 2 & 5 and outgrow their clothes so quickly so there is no point spending money on expensive childrens clothes at this age. My mum actually compared me (her grown working daughter) to two kids who will outgrow their clothes in a year because I had better clothes quality than them.

My mum is very protective of my sister in a way she never has been with me. She will consume herself trying to sort out my sisters problems and make it her life mission but with me, she shrugs and sometimes even blames me for what befalls me. I can sort myself out and deal with it but with my sister she is a poor girl and she doesn't have much.

This thread makes me very very uncomfortable for these reasons as I have always been in the situation where my sister was seen as the more disavantaged one and needing more. Even though she quite clearly isnt. I can quite imagine my mum behaving this way if I had any children.

In the context of the OP, for whatever reason MIL sees her other son as the poor one and wants to give him a helping hand and that has been projected on to her youngest granddaughter. MIL will go to any lengths to "help" them even if that means taking something as simple as a article of clothing off one granddaughter and giving it to the other one. It is a symptom of a much bigger problem. I would stop using her for childcare but the OP said she was already looking into that. If she feels that her youngest granddaughter is more deserving of nice clothes than her eldest granddaughter, then she probably wont miss having time alone with the eldest granddaughter either. She can provide an extra day of care to the young one to give them a bigger helping hand.

Iambubbles86 · 09/12/2016 13:18

Sorry neefs I did read all of ops posts (love ctr+f :-D) before posting but I've just redone it and I see I missed that one. I just hadn't read other peoples responses. I wasn't sure if people had considered it being similar

NataliaOsipova · 09/12/2016 13:20

Thank you God for my lovely daughters in law who would never do this to my sons and have empathy for humanity's(and my) foibles.

But - gotthemoon - presumably your foibles don't include stealing from your grandchildren? If they did, I suspect that your DILs (and your sons, for that matter) would be rather less empathetic....

Let's say the OP's DD left a random hat at the MIL's. The other DGD takes a fancy to it. Fair enough for the MIL to let her wear it out while she was there. Possibly fair enough to suggest to the OP that it would be nice to let her have it as she'd taken such a shine to it and she doesn't have many nice things. But the MIL knew that it was something special to the OP. Something she had looked for and missed. Probably something her DD was sad to lose. And she knew where it was all the time....and deliberately lied about it in order that the other child should have it. That's not a foible - that's deliberate, considered theft.

UnbornMortificado · 09/12/2016 13:21

YANBU ex-mil in law does this all the fucking time.

She doesn't have any other grandchildren she just wants things at her house for the one day a fortnight she has DD.

I'd be just as pissed if my own mother did it so not mil bashing.

I doubt it's about just a hat.

Melassa · 09/12/2016 13:31

The subtext here could also be that the OP's DD is seen by the MIL as being less deserving and therefore has no right to nice things compared to golden GD.
We had that in our family, my DM wasn't popular as foreign and unusual gifts we got from rellies abroad would go missing... It wasn't even a question of envy because we might have more money, we were on IS at the time and these things were the only nice things we had. It was a way of punishing my DM for being an outsider. I'm not sure if the person concerned ever registered she was punishing us as well. The "nice" items went to a neighbour's daughter, not even other relatives. I remember liberating a couple of items from the bin as they weren't to the neighbour's taste.

happychristmasbum · 09/12/2016 13:34

I am wondering whether part of the reason DH and BIL aren't close is to do with MIL?

LaContessaDiPlump · 09/12/2016 13:40

Meh, usual. Even if it is fiction, it's entertaining (and possibly thought-provoking) fiction. I always think the amazing thing about not-entirely-factual threads in general is the number of posters who do actually have a similar true story (I've been that person on quite a few threads that turned out to be elaborate works of fiction about demon mothers). You truly cannot make it up.

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 09/12/2016 13:46

Hi all,
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CaraAspen · 09/12/2016 13:49

"ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO

It always interests me how on such threads some posters are able to see past the hat, and whats really going on, and how some cant see that and to them it really is about a hat hmm"

Clearly, some posters have the emotional intelligence to see beyond the superficial.
What is at issue is this grandmother's attitude towards a child and her parents. It is ugly.

Cherylene · 09/12/2016 13:56

I am wondering whether part of the reason DH and BIL aren't close is to do with MIL?

Yes, they do need to try and get on, and talk to each other and forge their own relationship together, without their mother's involvement. This way, they are getting stuck in the old patterns that existed before they grew up. It prevents odd family dynamics being set up, and stops one person holding all the power in a family. By opting out of having their own relationship, they are letting their mother run it for them.

theclick · 09/12/2016 14:00

Are you better off than her other granddaughter's parents?

I ask as in my family DH earns a lot more than SIL and as such there's always a tendency from MIL that we will stump up more for Xmas presents etc than SIL and BIL will.

ElleMcElle · 09/12/2016 14:11

I can 100% see that the hat could be symptomatic of a ‘bigger picture’ of favouritism or nastiness - it’s not a difficult concept to follow, and I think my emotional intelligence is just about keeping up, but thanks.

My point is that a CHOICE is being made on this thread to interpret MIL’s (admittedly bizarre) actions in the worst possible way. Sometimes people do stupid, thoughtless things, then their ego is too big to let them back down from them - and I think that more moustache-twirling villainy is being attributed to MIL than is necessary. The entire psycho-drama that has attached itself to this thread is largely conjecture, and it sounds like there is now so much aggression / passive aggression passing between DIL and MIL that it will never be possible to get to the bottom of what MIL was actually thinking on this occasion.

There might well be a battle to be fought here over favouritism / jealousy / resentment. But I think it’s unwise to go into that battle over a bloody hat. Because whatever else the hat might represent, it is still relatively small fry.

I am a deeply imperfect human being and am grateful for my nearest and dearest cutting me a bit of slack from time to time. I do the same for them. I’d be very miserable if I interpreted every thoughtless / ill-judged thing that happened in the worst possible way.

It’s Christmas. And I don’t say that to be cute. I say it because I have the emotional intelligence to realise that if you’ve previously had a good enough relationship with MIL to be seeing her every week, then preserving and nurturing that should be a priority. I have friends who have terrible rifts with family members over genuinely serious things - massive betrayals, abuse, borderline criminal activity… And even though the wrongs done to them are huge, the rift is still a source of great sadness - more as the years and the Christmases go by. So yes - I stand by my comment that in the grand scheme of things, it is just a fucking hat!

CaraAspen · 09/12/2016 14:12

It was the child's hat and the grandmother is very mean.

ElleMcElle · 09/12/2016 14:19

Is the 4 year old missing it?

QueenLizIII · 09/12/2016 14:19

I would add to my epic post that I have had a lifetime of my mum thinking my sister is the more needy one and I just get left to flounder for everything. It started at Uni. I was supposed to sort them out all the time, and it has never stopped. I am the afterthought.

This is apparently the first time something like this has ever happened. So I do find it a bit strange that the OP is so riled by it.

If it happeend to me that a relative took my stuff and gave it to the other they thought was more needy I'd go crazy as it would be happening yet again.

This is the first apparent time it has ever happened here. So perhaps the OP can just forget the hat, organise child care and let it drop now.

Chippednailvarnishing · 09/12/2016 14:24

Be a good girl OP and let your Mil walk all over you and your DD, take her things, lie to you and then refuse to give your belongings back.

After all it's just a fucking hat.

Poor Mil, my heart bleeds for her, you might get lucky OP and she'll regift the hat back to you for Christmas, after all it is the time for giving away stuff that isn't yours

ElleMcElle · 09/12/2016 14:28

The OP hasn't been walked over - she stood up to her. There is a middle ground between being a doormat and the posts on here branding the MIL unfit to be around children!

FannyFifer · 09/12/2016 14:32

Has mil always behaved bizarrely?

Often change in behaviour & fixating on one issue, ie taking up bil wrongly about being poor could perhaps be a sign of dementia.

Forgetfulness often isn't the first symptom, paranoid or fixating on things can be an early symptom.

JennyPocket · 09/12/2016 14:38

Elle I don't think it's about the MIL being unfit to be around children, did anyone say that, if so then it must be a lone one or two posters.

It's more that MIL's lying, deceiving and subsequent outburst would make it hard to act as if nothing had happened at all and OP has taken steps to be more self-sufficient and not reliant on child-care by MIL.

If she was going to carry on using MIL for childcare whilst the hat situation (and relationship wobble) was going on, I can imagine you would feel DIL was being snidey.

I personally would feel like I was being totally false and two-faced to carry on as usual after OP's situation, at least for a while.

sleepyMe12 · 09/12/2016 14:43

I'm shocked by all the posts suggesting that the OP should get over it as its 'just a hat'.
It doesn't matter if this hat cost £100 or was a paper wimpy hat it did not belong to MIL so why should she get to decide who gets to wear it?!
As for a pp suggesting that stopping the childcare will harm the granddaughter/grandmother relationship maybe the MIL should of thought of that before she stole the hat from DG to give to the other.
What sort of example is that setting DG? That she's not entitled/deserve to have nice things?!

WuTangFlan · 09/12/2016 14:44

This is a bloody hat. A fucking hat is totally different.

MIL and daughter's hat.
doomf · 09/12/2016 14:44

DH and BIL have never been that close afaik. They do get on but they're quite different characters

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ohfourfoxache · 09/12/2016 14:54

Could mil actually be the underlying reason they're not close? My sister and I are about as opposite as you can get in character, personality and temperament but we're still close.

Mind you, can be different with men I suppose

DistanceCall · 09/12/2016 14:56

To all the PPs saying that Doomf should let bygones be bygones, the MIL hasn't apologised or acknowledged that she did something wrong. Of course, we all do stupid things and then are unable to go back on our tracks. But the MIL hasn't even said she's sorry.

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/12/2016 15:26

"My husband gets on with his mum but he always hints that she's a bit sneaky. He knows her better than me and I've always given her the benefit of the doubt"
So not only does her son characterise her as sneaky, but there have been more than one occasion where there has been doubt?

I really don't believe that she gave the hat to your niece because she thinks BIL/SIL are hard up. That's just the first thing she could think of. She could hardly say 'Well it gives me such pleasure to keep this hat from you. Such a sense of power, and since you don't know I've done this, a sense of knowing something that no-one else knows. It's exhilarating! Makes me smile every time you moan about not having the hat. Such fun!'.

BIL/SIL's supposed hard-upness is just a red herring to put you off the scent of why she's doing it and who she really is.

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