To think 335,000 extra people coming to the UK in a year is too high

[jdoe8]

Where will they all live? What jobs will they all do? I know it may help GDP, but that is irrelevant as GDP per head is the important thing.

It does seem to be race to the bottom with more part time work , uber type work and the country is borrowing more and more and the national debt is 35k per head now.

I am not sure we could apply those rules to our health system

it is free at the point if use that is the basis of the NHS free care the French system has a two tier system you have to pay for health insurance along with payments taken from your earnings

Everyone I have ever met who has moved to the UK from another country is absolutely charming

How patronising. I live in a very diverse area. Immigrants are just the same as British people. Some are lovely, some are not, some are polite, some are rude, some are hardworking, some are lazy.

Also, regarding HB etc - I think the UK is one of the few countries where it is theoretically possible to get housing the minute you arrive. The EU FOM rules are for workers and and there is a period of grace (3 months) to find a job and you are not meant to be a burden on the state. It is entirely possible for the UK to tighten up their own rules to ensure only those able to support themselves come to the UK to work, without leaving the EU/EEA.

but none of that is the fault of the EU, it's our own housing issues. The "trouble" is that you can't treat EU nationals differently from our own. Those restrictions you mention on British nationals in the EU are also in place here for EU nationals. If you are here, you are supposed to work, support yourself, or leave. That's what FOM is about.

But europeans can access whatever in work benefits others get. if you have a ridiculous housing system where vast numbers of people have their rent paid by the state, in many cases out of necessity, europeans can tap into that. If you have a functional housing system largely unsupported by the state, then very few people, including europeans from other countries, can be a burden.

It's our own housing system that's at fault. FOM makes it worse, but the heart of the problem is our own doing.

Dear me. Perhaps I have a sunnier outlook than you, but I mean what I said. Most people I meet and know generally are lovely and everyone has redeeming features. My point is that there is a difference between individuals, with family and friends who care about them, and policy approaches to statistical trends. Nothing patronising about that at all.

I think at some point, in the future, we are going to have to explain to the next generation what we did - how we GAVE AWAY our children's futures.

In order to do this, all we have done is turn the UK into a ghetto - we already have the highest number of violent crimes than ANYWHERE ELSE in Europe. The people we are letting in, they do not have the same values as us, and at the same rate of economic movement, our crime scale as gone up through the roof, and it is all violent crime, muggings robberies etc - no coincidence.

People are scared to look like a racist, however it is a matter of economics - there is NOT enough of anything in order to let thousands of extra people move here. Especially people who do not want to live in peace and are the kind of people that will rob your kids at knifepoint whilst they are on their way back from school

Already we have not enough school places/ doctors places / housing. Major cities are full to bursting points.

Where I come from English people are in the minority and it is frightening walking past large groups of people who insist on street drinking as is the cultural norm where they come from, etc.

People from different ethnic backgrounds who come here do not seem to want to live our way of life at all, we have to adapt to them - or put up and shut up - in the country which we are paying tax in. I feel so let down by this country and would never bring children up here, it's a dangerous ghetto in and around many major cities now and YES it is because of migration of people who do not wish to live in peace!

Is every British person you've ever met 'absolutely charming'?!

It is entirely possible for the UK to tighten up their own rules to ensure only those able to support themselves come to the UK to work, without leaving the EU/EEA

I seriously doubt that - the Tories would have done that already if it was possible.

I do not know why we do not bring in a points system like Australia.

and the first time an immigrant is convicted of a crime, deport them

Mrs Snootch You are Nigel Farij and I claim my £5

In order to do this, all we have done is turn the UK into a ghetto - we already have the highest number of violent crimes than ANYWHERE ELSE in Europe. The people we are letting in, they do not have the same values as us, and at the same rate of economic movement, our crime scale as gone up through the roof, and it is all violent crime, muggings robberies etc - no coincidence.

except... none of that is true. It's not true statistically (the crime rate has not gone through the roof), nor does the explanation make any sense. If the EU is less violent than here, certainly allowing in more of those people, who must have better values given their crime rate, will help, no?

FOM makes it worse

335 000 extra people need roofs over their heads every year; the housing shortage worsens (and house prices go up).

Or maybe your that vile little Jayda Fransen from britain first

These arguments are moot going forward. Globalisation has been identified as a negative by Government, the message is currently being drip fed through the media.
Whether this translates into a change in policy is wholly dependent on the ballot box.
People are watching events in Europe intently. Possibly by the time A50 is invoked there will be no European union to leave.

335 000 extra people need roofs over their heads every year; the housing shortage worsens (and house prices go up).

those have been Canada's and Australia's figures for a generation. Before you say "well, they have a lot of space" Switzerland also has higher net migration than we do.

FOM makes it worse, certainly. But the root of the problem is something else.

You only have to look at the polices crime maps of my multicultural city to realize where the trouble is.

Crime reported September 2016:
*Typical white middle class area - 21 crimes in the last month (mostly burglaries)
*White council estate area - 86 crimes, mixture of burglaries, breach of the peace, 6 violent crime
*Eastern European area - 187 crimes, mostly violent robberies, stabbings and sexual offences (The police have currently put up a 'no street drinking' in order to stop it all...lol)

Unfortunately in the borough where I live some of the dc of secondary school age about 13 locally have been mugged at knife point and punched in the face. The perpetrators were not from Europe but they were not Caucasian either and were in a gang. The tendency seemed to be to come on a bus route from another area. It is upsetting and it does seem to be becoming more common.

The U

Yes it is nice to think that rainbows and sunshine and people from other countries are fab or even spout insults because other people are doing so, but if you do not believe me, check it out on your own city, the crime statistics try various postcodes, you will know yourselves which ethic groups live in what areas...

SEE FOR YOURSELVES, don't just reiterate the old rhetoric of your peers, open your eyes - the facts are there.

I don't know who Jayden from Britain First is, JustAnotherPoster00

Britain First are not a group I have ever investigated, clearly you are more educated on them than I

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12112024/Violent-crime-jumps-27-in-new-figures.html

Ill stop now, i'm not here to spam my views, I just believe that we should all have our eyes opened to the fact that things may not be all sunshine and roses, and be wary

and no, no where have I said 'all white people are fab' - that would be a crazy thing to say

and no, no where have I said 'all white people are fab' - that would be a crazy thing to say

I hope you're not referring to my following comment...

Is every British person you've ever met 'absolutely charming'?!

Because I was aiming that at the poster who said every immigrant she'd met had been charming. My point was that people are people...some immigrants are lovely, some British people are lovely. Some immigrants are not so lovely and some British people are not so lovely.

As for crime, plenty of countries are having to put up with our own British criminals in their countries you know.

We do seem to have a large number of foreign nationals in our prisons. They are the very small % of immigrants that we do not want. And putting them in prison costs an absolute fortune. Why can't we deport these people?!

MrsSnootch did you read your own link? Last year was the first year in a decade where crime spiked.

Given that we have had mass immigration for quite a bit longer than two years, I don't think immigration is the cause.

The article does say that many migrants were involved in the recent spike, and sure we should take care to deal with it. But that hardly says that immigration as a whole is a problem.

FOM makes it worse

Freedom of movement is making a bad situation much worse.

The flip side? These people are entering a country that is in the grip of a housing crisis, while many of the houses they've left behind remain empty.

It's sheer madness.