To not want to leave a tip ?

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Went for a meal tonight nothing fancy just pizza and my friend seemed mortified that I didn't leave a tip. I was paying for our meal and I generally don't leave tips. Ive never left a tip for anyone actually not taxi drivers, hairdressers, waiters is that mean of me ?

Rhythmsticks, really? What's your 'standard' service like then? Any different to your 'better service'?

If you were to be anything less than utterly professional to me as a patron then I'd report you to your manager. It's not you as waiting staff that gets to have a 'poor opinion' or otherwise of your customers, you're there to perform a service. In my own job I have customers too and I'm there to service their needs.

Whilst you may think that non-tippers are beneath your contempt, I think your attitude really stinks.

frikadela01 This is one of my first nice exchanges today!
Apparently I'm goady... but I'm definitely not, just not quite polished to the MN style of speak and never will be because I am who I am

I tip if I have had good service not to top up someone's wage. Having said that it's rare that I don't leave a tip.

However when we were on holiday in Florida we left a tip regardless of whether we got good service or not as it's expected over there. For some reason employers pay a pitiful wage to servers so the consumer has to make up the difference.

Shockers if someone was buying me my meal I would not interfere with their tipping values. I think that would be more rude than their not tipping at all. I might hide a note under a plate if I could but not if I would be caught by the person buying my meal

We paid for a meal the other day and the people we were with wouldnt leave a tip

I was a bit

And i am one of those who doesnt tip all the time

I and others put in extra for tip once and the table organiser took it out and said, "that dan go it the drinks kitty they haven't done much!" And left a few coins.

I was

I do judge her for that, even to this day I look at her and think, tight arse! Wasn't even her cash!

Thats bang out of order fame

I dont tip in pubs or cafes, dont tend to for a quick in and out lunch

Probably would for a leisurely lunch, would in most chains and gasto pubs and obviously realise that there are some restaurants which i am never invited to that you would obviously tip...

But i would be a bit in a group situation where i would expect everyone to thow a 50p or a quid in...not 10% but a good £5 to £10 for a basic meal

Dh usually tips but has no problem not leaving a tip for bad service, i still feel a bit guilty

Just to mention...in the service industry where tips are suppose to be the norm, the Inland Revenue tax employees on the basis that they get tips, my daughter a hairdresser pays tax on her (not) tips...hmm I wish there was not a tipping culture and fairer wages in all industries, as a government worker you can't except 'tips/gifts' regardless of individuals wishing to reward good service and I think this is right. But taxing (not) tips is not fair to already low paid workers.

I wouldn't mind not tipping for bad service. But bad service would have to mean bad service.

My worst ever experience was that I damaged designer handbag... total accident.

Got everything worked out, was genuinely apologetic, manager arranged for the insurance to cover it... that lady was so gracious, and she did still tip!

ali

They only do that if a tax return isnt filled out

fame

Most of the time its fine, even when i was brought a starter i was unable to eat...twice. We still tipped it wasnt the servers fault

But one time in disney the waitress was very unhelpful to start with, virtually kicking us off the table we had booked because the children wernt with us , and then the drinks and sauces turned up after we finished the meal. Fish wasnt cooked and when we complained she just said ok, no offer of a new meal, no offer of a refund, no would you like to speak to the manager, just said ok and walked straight off

Rufus I wouldn't tip if that was the attitude. But we usually get great service and appreciate it.

Currently in Japan which has a no -tipping culture 'tis bliss
I waitressed in University holidays. Iwas young,quite pretty and did my best to give a good service-have always given any job my best shot .And some of the permanent staff even in four star hotel were lackadasical and couldn't understand why I and the friend who worked with me did so well .Maybe because we smiled and went the extra mile ?
I do generally tip but I won't if the service is poor .I shocked a friend recently when out for a meal (6 of us)by refusing ,but when I pointed out all the deficiencies including the fact she had waited 15mins for gluten-free bread she did agree with me
I don't generally tip in fast food places I'm afraid as the levelof 'service'is minimal

I always tip waiting staff, I worked as a waitress nearly 30 years ago (God, I'm so old!) and I know what hard job it is. I always relied heavily on my tips to get a cab home as I frequently left work in the early hours and my tiny wages definitely wouldn't have covered that

I can assure everyone that my father worked in the restaurant industry for over 40 years and had a lot to say about stingy/rude customers who did not tip. The expectation is that you would normally give at least 10% gratuity in any service industry; restaurants (not fast food), taxis, hairdressers, etc.

If you are in a restaurant and your server is rude/incompetent, it is reasonable to withhold the gratuity. Some restaurants now routinely add a service charge of 10-12%; but it IS optional and you can ask to have it removed from your bill if you think service was substandard.

Otherwise, you are just being cheap. To anser the OP, your friend is right to be mortified. I have been in the situation where fellow-diners did not leave a tip (out with a group, some of whom I did not know that well) and I put in their share because I know only too well from my dad what a difference it makes to the livelihood of the servers.

Rhythmsticks My experience as a waitress is the opposite of yours. It's not a 'minority' that don't tip, and none of us remembered (or cared) who tipped and who didn't. We just did our jobs, like every other person in every other service industry.

I really do find these threads amusing; the justifications people come out with when they insist we have to tip!

I hate the tip part of a meal with friends who you don't go out to eat with often. One group of friends, we have a standard £20 per couple (we eat at decent level places and keep the waiters busy with lots of beverages). We got that used to going out with them, that the first time we took some other friends to our favourite restaurant and mate said 'well they've been really good tonight, what do you reckon, 2-3 quid tip?' Meaning from the 4 of us - we were gobsmacked. This was a £300 meal for 4.

We were in Sri Lanka a few years back. Had fab service in the bar on the first night, and had a note that worked out to be around 15% more than the bill. We put the money down and left. The next day we went back in and our waiter was serving. When he brought the bill, he'd deducted the amount of change we'd 'forgotten' to take the night before

The only time I don't tip is when some fucker asks me 'how much change do you want?' Seeing as you've asked - all of it.

Fame, I wasn't very clear. I would insist by saying, thank you so much... please let me sort out the tip.
I wouldn't argue with the person paying about whether a tip was due or not.

YABVVU. You should always tip. I would be horrified if anyone I was with refused to tip.
My husband runs a bar/restaurant. I expect customers to tip when they have eaten. We pay above minimum wage but hospitality is a low-paid industry and tips make a huge difference to staff.

Raqs, really? Thanks for the 'assurance' but I don't know who you are, nevermind your dad-in-the-industry which many of us have been in ourselves.

Think what you like and so will I - that you're paid to do your job and trying to wangle additional monies that you haven't earned, from your customers, is beyond tacky.

If customers think you deserve more money, they will give it to you happily. If they're not giving you this extra money then perhaps think why that might be?

Helethan... I sympathise with you but, why would you put yourself at risk to get home, being so utterly dependent on customers to pay you extra? What if it's a slow night or just not the 'right' customers?

Employers pay you the wage they think your job is worth (rightly or wrongly) and you accept it on that basis.

If customers think you deserve more money, they will give it to you happily. If they're not giving you this extra money then perhaps think why that might be?

This logic doesn't stand up. If you work in a job where you get really good tips regularly and then you get one mardy-arse who has cobwebs on their purse it says nothing about your performance and everything about the stingy client.

Employers pay you the wage they think your job is worth (rightly or wrongly) and you accept it on that basis.

No not true either. In the service industry tips are considered as part of the package whenever you apply. A very acceptable question is "How are the tips?" Answer is something like, " our best servers clear between (x) and (y) on an average night, up to (z) on a Saturday. Legendary worst night ever was for (insert name here) who only got (w), but that was the night of the big power cut!"

To all the scrooges out there who don't believe in tipping over the upcoming festive season of love and giving, happy Christmas to you all anyway!

One persons season of love and giving is another persons season of bitterness and keeping!

Tipping is normal in continental Europe but it's often just a case of rounding up, so they win some they lose some - eg if it's 9 euros and you round up to 10 they've made a euro. But if it's 9 euros 60 and you round up to 10 they've only made 40 cents.

I always tip in a restaurant but I have never tipped in the hairdressers. They put the amount in the chip and PIN machine and I put in my PIN. It's not like a restaurant where there's usually an option to add a tip. That said, I always ask if the waiting staff get the tips if I put it on my card, if they say no I leave cash.

If I think the service has been rubbish in a restaurant I don't leave a tip. But that's not very often.

supermoon, you just sound ridiculous when you insult posters who don't share your views. HTH