or was Peter Kay homophobic on Strictly?

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His bit with Rinder made me cringe so hard.

That kind of 'humour' based on the idea that gay men are predatory sex pests belongs in the 70's with Alf Garnett type sitcoms rather than 2016 doesn't it? Felt dated, lazy and really awkward.

Not that I expect Peter Kay to be at the cutting edge of comedy of course but still.

Just me?

"Try taking things at face value and you might not sound quite such a twat."

Do you understand the concept of "innuendo"? "Double entendre?" If not, just tell me and I'll give you one.......

BR - that's a great old joke, which I roll out from time to time. Woman walks into a bar and orders a double entendre. So the barman gives her one. Classic.

I am sure RR couldn't give a fig that MN is 'discussing' this. It was a piss take on the northern bloke (which I find more offensive than RR does re the gay thing) - I am pretty sure from the perspective of gay men I know they would be more amused by MN being outraged on their behalf than the 1970's incursion into RR's sexuality.

You sound like a chippy northern bloke Pan

Oh, Pan. Thank you for spoiling mansplaining my joke. What would we do without you?

I take that as a compliment limited

Also Blackpool is a bit of a gay hub in the north. Years ago I was at a house party in Lancashire and we'd run out of cigs. so I went to the local to get some from a machine. I was asked there "Are you from Blackpool?"
On return I relayed this to the host and she said "Ah, that's because you have an earring"..

Yep, MN women seem to be more exercised, on behalf of gay men than gay men would be.

BR - is that really mansplaining?

What would you do without me? I would fear for you.

Well, it's either mansplaining, or putting a whacking great size 12 on someone else's joke.

Incidentally, Robert Rinder could hardly have used his legendary wit to demolish Peter Kay on life television because, well, it was live television.

Oh goodness sake. If it's not related to anal sex why is he saying his arse is closed to rinder? Because the joke is, gay man= desperate to stick
His cock up any male arse. If you don't get that, you didn't get the joke

The key thing is whether Gay/Bi men find it offensive

Although everybody can find it offensive, it does particularly matter what the butts of the 'joke' think. Even more so the direct target such as his Holiness Judge Rinder.

It's straight white male thing to make jokes at the expense of women and gay men. In character as part of a longer sketch then it may have worked. In a tiny insert where his character hasn't been established (and though he might be a bit disappointed to hear this, Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights character is not a well-loved, well-established character), it just seemed like a crass straight white male joke.

oh come on BR - it was an illustration of your joke, which is a fine one on a play of words. I didn't think you were so thin-skinned?
And I am a size 10 fwiw.

I don't think RR's wit is legendary. It's very heavily edited. From what I;ve seen briefly of his 'court' he's fairly smarmy and 'superior'.

And the dancing is great, to an extent, but the camp gurning doesn't do him any favours. A work colleague trains at the same gym he practises his routines in Manchester, and he is viewed there as a dreadful snob.

Maybe, instead of people being told they have no sense of humour for not finding it funny...can those who do think it's all jokes perhaps explain why it is funny?

Many women who are the butt of the joke when cat-called say they like it. I sincerely believe them, but I don't like it and neither do many other women.

Whose opinion does an outsider take? In that situation, surely he or she can only ask: 'would I like that if it happened to me?'

I saw what Peter Kay did to Judge Rinder and thought that I wouldn't.

"And the dancing is great, to an extent, but the camp gurning doesn't do him any favours. A work colleague trains at the same gym he practises his routines in Manchester, and he is viewed there as a dreadful snob."

And this is relevant exactly how?

Is it OK to make homophobic jokes about gay people who are snobs?

and to extend the 'judge' thing, I've a pretty long history of experience in Crown Courts. Rarely do those judges come across in the way RR does in terms of dealing with people. He does a media/showy/ego thing.
IF he wishes to camp things up a la 1970's style then he's setting himself up to be shot down. I am pretty sure he doesn't care less about PK and neither should anyone else, on his behalf.

We differ BR. I'm more than happy to leave it at that.

Good lord, really? Real judges aren't like that? Who'd a' thought it?

Yeahhh he's not a real judge!

You're kidding me! Why do people call him Judge Rinder them? Is that even legal?

Eurgh...

Yeah. That was a mistake. I agree it was most likely intended as a joke about Peter Kay's character being homophobic, but I think jokes like that need a lot of work in order to avoid simply seeming like an endorsement of whatever prejudice is being mocked. A lot of work.

On that note, it definitely qualifies as homophobia, as in "dislike or prejudice against homosexual people". I mean, what else do can I call the casual assumption that simply being gay makes a man a sex offender? If women claimed to think that all straight men are sex offenders in the way so many people have characterised gay men, she'd be called a misandrist quicker than it takes to type NAMALT!

*If a woman claimed

Nope. Not 'legal', though he may have experience as a circuit judge - but who cares? It's not as if anyone is taking this seriously...

The funniest thing about this thread is the fact that the 'offended' are being told to get a sense of humour because they they don't find Peter Kay funny