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House of Fraser ad - steaming pile of wank?

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OrangeKitchen · 19/11/2016 15:20

Don't watch much tv but this ad has just stuck out for me - in that I want to hurl something at the telebox every time it's on. It's awful.
Who is it aimed at?
Does anyone like it?
Why?

OP posts:
Southallgirl · 20/11/2016 10:27

This is a parody on the John Lewis ad. Fab.

Livelovebehappy · 20/11/2016 10:35

Just re-hashed from last year's. Especially with the dining table scene. Not a patch on the John Lewis trampoline one, which I absolutely love!!

LeavesinAutumn · 20/11/2016 10:35

I dont care what they are as long as they don't hint about the reality of FC like the B and M one just has Angry dreadful.

Chopstick17 · 20/11/2016 11:09

I mute them all ad breaks.

Chopstick17 · 20/11/2016 11:10

I mute all ad breaks.

Esker · 20/11/2016 13:32

Oh yes completely agree Armi re women always bearing the total brunt of Christmas organisation. Has always been that way in my experience. But I guess what I object to particularly with the Tesco ad is the utterly bland and banal way that the woman's thoughts are presented. 'I'll need an extra box of shortbread for greedy uncle so and so- bless him'. As if all we all wander around supermarkets fondly musing on our relatives charming foibles.

The80sweregreat · 20/11/2016 13:50

At least Tesco have ditched the gormless son this year.The dh is also thinking about Christmas by picking up the mince pies. Would be nice to see him cooking the meal too though!

green18 · 20/11/2016 14:33

OVER THINKING ADS ALERT!!!

SouthWestmom · 20/11/2016 14:35

So weird. I love the Tesco ads. Maybe I'm just very boring and not exciting Grin but that is pretty much my thought process when shopping!

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 20/11/2016 14:40

I am (at 32) too old and uncool for HoF

I'm 57 and have spent my adulthood thinking I'm far too cool to shop at House of Fraser !

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 20/11/2016 14:41

The Tesco Ben Miller /Ruth Jones ads are awful- another reason not to shop in Tesco.

Esker · 20/11/2016 15:32

Noeuf sorry I didn't mean to be rude Blush My own thoughts during shopping are hardly mind-expanding Grin

Maybe I just inherently hate Tesco as I'm a Sainsbury's girl at heart. Don't like their cold blue colour scheme in comparison to Sainsburys warming orange.

quencher · 20/11/2016 15:54

It's definitely not aimed at me though and has confirmed what I already suspected - I am (at 32) too old and uncool for HoF. I never really shopped there anyway.*
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I used to shop in HoF quite a lot. Have bought some lovely posh frocks* evening wear there. And perfume. I prefer the ranges of many items they stock, and in the past I liked the overall look and layout of the store.
But they obviously aren't interested in the over 40's white middle class any more. * *

Saagasal and foxyloxy I'd didn't know 30 and 40 are considered old.
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I hate it. It's bloody awful. So aggressive and trying too hard to be trendy and edgy. Hated last year's one from HoF too.

Don't like the HoF one. And I find myself irrationally enraged by the singer's pronunciation saying 'com' instead of 'come'.

I also find the song overly aggressive. I loved last year's song and thought it did benefit from a similar edgy treatment (I remember the original) but that was more to do with the song/lyrics itself.*
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*Edgy = good
Aggressive = the wrong note

Why on earth would aggression and general pouty jerky grumpiness be considered a perfect Christmas vibe? *

Those are the few threads that made me raise an eyebrow.
I also, believe that sometime people comment on topics without thinking about the implications or what someone like me reading it might pickup on. It's not because am being a petulant woman ruining people's fun having a bash at a terrible piece of advertisement.

The words used when put into context in regards to the advert can be annoying and can come across as racist.
First of all. Criticising Laura mvula's pronunciation of the word "come" is not on. If it was in French accent I doubt anyone would complain. There are lots of people who haven't been hired In the media solely because they feel there accent is not the right type or good enough because of negative connotation. If Laura was to read this thread, or someone with a similar pronunciation, they might actually think that there failure for not reaching a wider audience beyond those who watch jools holland is because of how they speak. Its not something they can correct or change.

Secondly, using a the term aggressive for both the leading black dancer and the black singer for an advert is not such a good idea. It's nothing new and it common word to describe black women negative way to put them down. In the context of this thread it might have been right, but for women who hear it everyday, how can you tell if they are being truthful with how they view the advert? I didn't think it was aggressive at all. unless, my understanding of aggressive is different to others. Yes it did have lots of energy, but lots of energy does not equal aggressive. The table scene was playful and fun.

The exclusion of the over 40 woman, I can understand that and it's one of the failing for this advertisement. What I didn't understand is the implication that the older posher white woman is excluded. By doing this, they will not be shopping there anymore. This is the sort of tripe that kept bald women from being used by high end fashion and products because of this middle class white woman and what they want. If you don't fulfil there need they have the choice to move somewhere else. Lucky them! For ethnic minority women, what's there is what you get. Occasionally, you will have Naomi or the token person of the season to be the face of all ethnic minorities. The worst part is, you still get middle class posher white women complaining.
The wealthier white woman spends money based on race and class. They have accesses to lots more products that cater to their need and people who pander to them too. According to magazines and designers, they are always taking a risk by using women of colour. Most of them see a slump in their sale.

So yes, I found some of the comments on here off putting and if marks and spencer focused and used more older posh white women maybe their cloths sales will go up. They did well before with lost of young white women, the years they started being inclusive, the complaints and backlash started. The complaints for constant use of younger women and targeting the younger market. The word is always edgy. The same is being used for this hof ad. Hmm
Am glad urban hasn't been thrown in yet.

I get they want to be different, & yes the happy ever after saccharinity is boak-worthy... but, really, how does this advert act as an antidote to all that? It still plays to stereotypes but all the men and woman are being equal. The bit I almost cringed was the male in the chair with fingers all over his chair, however, the face of people that pulled of the throw of him turns out to be men. Smile
Yes there still other forms of sexism in the advert. Not your usual Christmas dribble. I like it.

PaulDacresConscience · 20/11/2016 17:01

It was me that said that I found the pronunciation of the word 'come' irritating. That was all I said. I didn't say it was wrong, or bad or anything else - I simply said I found it irritating. What is the issue with that? Why is it 'not on' to say that I find the way the word is said irritating?

MillieMoodle · 20/11/2016 17:49

Quencher I honestly hadn't noticed the colour of skin of any of the people in the advert. I've seen it once and I thought the banging of cutlery on the table bit was aggressive. I love the song but I don't really like the version they've used in the advert. I don't know who sings it but I much prefer The Fugees version. I also found the switching between scenes too quick. I really don't like the advert but that doesn't make me racist Confused

JemimaMuddledUp · 20/11/2016 18:00

Haven't read the whole thread, but the HoF ad is my favourite this year. Disclaimer - I am not young or cool. But I hate both the John Lewis one and the Waitrose one. The HoF one is a bit different, upbeat and not horribly twee.

MillieMoodle · 20/11/2016 18:01

Ok so I found it on you tube and watched it again, they don't bang cutlery on the table, they bang their hands down. I still don't like the advert though, it's not quite Christmassy enough for me.

AChristmasCactus · 20/11/2016 18:01

Apparently not liking an advert that happens to feature black dancers is now racist. Who knew.

PaulDacresConscience · 20/11/2016 18:15

I reserve the worst of my ire for the M&S advert though, because it uses a Jess Glynne song as a soundtrack and I cannot bear JG's voice. It's all shrieky and whiny and strained and it grates on me like nails down a blackboard. I'm sure she's a lovely lass and good luck in the career and all that, but last time I checked it was OK to not like something. We aren't all the same.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 20/11/2016 18:56

Wow, it was the tone, staging and dancing that makes it stylistically aggressive, not the colour of the actors!

Good lord! I didn't realize I had to give my 'I'm a non racist and normaltype of person' credentials before I critiqued an advert. Don't you dare lump me in with the somewhat ambiguous comments on race that happened earlier in the thread. You don't know anything about me, my colour or ethnicity.

I do agree that the wording of earlier comments saying it didn't appeal to someone as a white middle aged woman, was, err, questionable. I took it to mean 'bog standard' though the mention of skin colour was weird and hopefully that person has clarified their comments.

But no, just no. You don't get to call me racist for criticizing an adverts tone. Please don't leap to conclusions.

quencher · 20/11/2016 19:31

Apparently not liking an advert that happens to feature black dancers is now racist. Who knew.
My argument was based on this advert and some of the words used to describe it together with the people. I have pointed it out and explained why.

My comment was not telling people to love the advert or even the song. You can hate it all you want. That's non of my business.
However, if people use words that can easily have racist connotation when referring to the actors then there is nothing wrong with me or anyone else pointing that out. Am happy to take the flak for my views.

Millie that is why I said probably some people didn't mean it to come out that way and the advert is probably aggressive. The advert is only aggressive if the people are aggressive. Probably, there are better words to describe it. I don't know how changes in scenes can be described as aggressive when the term refers to human emotion.

Wow, it was the tone, staging and dancing that makes it stylistically aggressive, not the colour of the actors! Maybe, if you had said that, it would have come across differently. I never assumed you were white. I based it on common usage and how a lot of black women are treated based around the word aggressive and aggression. Especially in the media.

PaulDacresConscience · 20/11/2016 19:47

I get what you're saying Quencher. I didn't know who the singer was until you posted - I'd skimmed the rest of the thread. Just googled her. I still don't like her version of the song - and the pronunciation thing does catch my ear and annoy me, but then I can't stand One bloody Direction for similar reasons! - but some of her other stuff sounds great. I am also Envy at her bone structure because she's stunning as well. Good luck to her. The HoF adverts are quite marmite I think - but presumably that's the advertisers aim? Whether you love it or hate it, people are talking about it - which is better than something really mediocre.

April1983 · 20/11/2016 20:41

I absolutely love the Amazon advert, it's the best by far, the airport one is really good too. I dislike the hof advert, they're trying too hard and the song just irks me. Why take a beautiful song and turn it into that, even the accent sounds try hard Hmm

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 28/11/2016 14:05

I saw an interview with the Imam and Priest from the Amazon advert a few days ago, they said that they hardly had to act during the filming and are now firm friends

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