Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Dog pissing and shitting over everything. AIBU to PTS?

212 replies

ImportSave · 18/11/2016 11:56

I've just caught my dog pissing all over a fairly new side table. He stood and did it right in front of me, despite being less than two feet from access to the garden. I chased him out into the garden and cleaned it up,only to find he'd crapped in the kitchen without me knowing about it. I've shut him in the (tiled) kitchen, where he's howling and barking to be let out. He's ruined an expensive carpet through this.

Not to drip feed, he's about 17, a small crossbred who has free access to the outside and is walked daily. The vet has checked him several times and can find no physical reason this. I've also cleaned the carpet/furniture with enzyme cleaner, bio soap power and have had it professionally cleaned. My house stinks. I have a niece who will soon be crawling and I can't have her over if she's going to be crawling in dog urine (or worse, poo.)

I'm honestly thinking about having him PTS. I've owned him since he was a tiny pup and it would probably break my heart to do it, but I can't take much more of this mess either. I'm sitting here trying to get some very important work done and all I can smell is piss. All I can hear is him howling because he's been shut in the one room with a floor he can't ruin.

AIBU?

OP posts:
ImportSave · 19/11/2016 00:38

He's left alone for a max of 8 hours a day, though it's usually less than that and never for 8 hours at a time (I might start work at 2 and my partner finishes at 4 for example.). If I'm not home, my partner is and if we're both going to be out for the day, I book a longer walk in with our dog walker.

Even on days when I'm home all day, he still does this. I've been sitting in the garden with him in the summer and got up to find out that he's made a mess in the house even though the door was wide open for him to come out.

I lost an uncle to dementia last year and if I could have had the choice of a painless injection rather than the months of decline and suffering, I'd have used it. I don't want to see my dog go through that.

For all of you who think I don't care about my dog, do you have the first fucking clue how hard this is for me? I cried on the phone with the vet this afternoon trying to sort out a home visit so Doug didn't have to go to the vets. I'm not heartless or lacking in compassion. I'm just exhausted by the constant cleaning, the smell and the fact my house never really feels safe for my tiny niece to visit. It's embarrassing to have people over because as soon as you walk in the door the smell hits you. I'm constantly on edge wondering where Doug is because if he makes a mess, I need to be up straight away to clean it before it sets.

OP posts:
iminshock · 19/11/2016 00:42

I would PTS
Yanbu

QuestionableMouse · 19/11/2016 00:52

Nothing wrong with pts in this situation imo. I'm so sorry.

FluffyPineapple · 19/11/2016 00:56

Your dog is 17 years old? Are you sure? Most dogs don't live above 13? If your dog has been your constant companion for 17 years surely you would have more compassion in his last months than to PTS just because he has become incontinent? I am so fucking annoyed at this OP. How can your dog who has put you before himself for (you say) 17years suddenly become an inconvenience and easily disposable?? Angry

piknmixer · 19/11/2016 01:08

FGS FluffyPineapple it's hardly unheard of for a dog to live to 17.

My girl tries to lick up her odd accidental wee as she knows she's supposed to go outside. She's blind and diabetic. She has never been punished for an accident and she never would be. A dog who is pooing and weeing everywhere like OP's dog is not a happy dog with a good quality of life.

OP is upset enough, she clearly already feels awful about this and her poor dog and you're accusing her of thinking of him as an inconvenience? Where is your compassion?

niceglassofdrywhitewine · 19/11/2016 01:13

My dog was 15 going on 16 when he was put down. Many dogs these days do go beyond the age of 13.

I am a massive dog-lover but humans come first always. Where's your compassion for a woman exhausted and anxious by constantly cleaning up dog poo and wee?

The situation is not going to improve and the dog isn't going to be trained. Imagine what social services or health visitor would make of a home with a young child & incontinent dog.

OP you have more than done your bit. Humans come first and having a 17 year old PTS is not unreasonable. Expecting someone to live in excrement to extend an elderly dog's life, is.

FluffyPineapple · 19/11/2016 01:19

[FGS FluffyPineapple it's hardly unheard of for a dog to live to 17.

My girl tries to lick up her odd accidental wee as she knows she's supposed to go outside. She's blind and diabetic. She has never been punished for an accident and she never would be. A dog who is pooing and weeing everywhere like OP's dog is not a happy dog with a good quality of life.]

The dog (according to OP) has served her for 17 years - that's a long time in dog years right? If he is 17 and has been with OP since a pup why would OP want to PTS? Have you no compassion? The dog has become incontinent. So has my dad - who is 95. Should I have him PTS too? Or are 17 (?) year olds dogs no longer seen as family members?

OP is upset enough, she clearly already feels awful about this and her poor dog and you're accusing her of thinking of him as an inconvenience? Where is your compassion?

BeccaAnn · 19/11/2016 01:20

It sounds like it's time to say goodbye to your lovely friend, 17years is a good age for a dog. It's heartbreaking to see but the comes a time. Flowers
And it's time for nw carpet and skirting too I'm afraid.
Keep us posted.

piknmixer · 19/11/2016 01:27

FluffyPineapple I'm sorry about your Dad. My nan is in her 80s and in not dissimilar health.

Dogs are very much family members but as owners it's in our power to do what is best for them.

salsmum · 19/11/2016 01:28

Sorry if it's already been asked but has your dog only been doing this since you've had your baby? Sometimes older pets can find it very stressful when a baby comes along I'm wondering if this could be the cause.

musicghostly · 19/11/2016 01:44

These people I cannot recommend highly enough. (No I don't have anything to do with the company!)

Our dog is nearly 15 and we have the same as you. He's peed on dog beds/ the sofa, all the floors. We've changed to hard floor downstairs anyway as we also have a somewhat unreliable rescue girl dog. The hard floor helps but there's carpet upstairs and he's used to sleeping in with us so I didn't really want to shut him elsewhere.

Our old boy basically has a bit of doggie dementia. At times I am at the end of my tether with it, I can tell you. But I just can't PTS whilst he's basically still enjoying life - and he is. Though I have had moments when it's crossed my mind, I'm afraid.

We've bought him these belly bands and line them with cheap supermarket incontinence pads. We've never had one leak, even though he uses them thoroughly overnight. I wipe him down with a pet wipe when I change them do he doesn't smell/ get urine burns. They have transformed my life with him. The first one I ever put on him, he looked at me as though I'd removed his back half entirely and circled round for ages as though he could not sit down - I had to lie him down. For a few days after that I got accusing looks. Now he just takes it in his stride.

FluffyPineapple · 19/11/2016 01:47

[FGS FluffyPineapple it's hardly unheard of for a dog to live to 17.

My girl tries to lick up her odd accidental wee as she knows she's supposed to go outside. She's blind and diabetic. She has never been punished for an accident and she never would be. A dog who is pooing and weeing everywhere like OP's dog is not a happy dog with a good quality of life.]

The dog (according to OP) has served her for 17 years - that's a long time in dog years right? If he is 17 and has been with OP since a pup why would OP want to PTS? Have you no compassion? The dog has become incontinent. So has my dad - who is 95. Should I have him PTS too? Or are 17 (?) year olds dogs no longer seen as family members?

There again if the elderly dog has been shut in a room to howl I guess he has no reason to live.......

musicghostly · 19/11/2016 01:54

Here he is in it. It's much looser than it looks - he's a very fluffy dog! Though for the second one we bought a longer one as he was on the outside poppers of this one. His other one has elephants on it and is rather fetching! It has entirely contained all peeing accidents and made my life 100x easier. Now he's used to it he's perfectly happy with it on and just goes about life as normal. We take it off for walks, trips into the garden, and for a while if he's recently peed outside or if we're downstairs where there's hard floor and I'm watching him. So he's not in it all the time by any means - though I think it would be ok if he was.

Dog pissing and shitting over everything. AIBU to PTS?
musicghostly · 19/11/2016 02:02

I've had people say I should PTS too. But he's generally happy and one day I might be old and incontinent - and hope I am treated with compassion and people still love me. So whilst he has quality of life, enjoys a bit of fresh air, likes his food, I'm working round the issues as best I can (he's been vet checked too btw, it's basically caused by dementia).

ImSoUnoriginal · 19/11/2016 02:42

Personally I think yanbu. This happened with 2 of my mums dogs when they were around 15. They did it every night and even after they had just been let out, in the end. I think sometimes they just go senile, just as humans do.
Put the poor dog to sleep. He's 17, not a puppy. He's unlikely to improve at this age ime. I'm sorry OP, I know it's not an easy decision.

QuestionableMouse · 19/11/2016 06:32

salsmum the op doesn't have a baby. She has a tiny neice who can't visit because of the dog pee.

Molecule · 19/11/2016 08:06

Please stop comparing dogs with humans, they are not the same thing at all.

This dog has been the OP'S companion for 17 years, of course she loves him very much, but is obviously finding this incontinence is really too much to cope with. I wouldn't want my carpets smelling of wee and poo, and I'm sure the majority wouldn't be keen either. Old age is difficult but it is up to responsible pet owners to manage it and then take the correct decision to PTS when the time comes.

Import ignore the oh so perfect posters on here, most of whom haven't given you much decent advice, and do what you feel is best. Doug will not know what is happening when the time comes, and some of us will be here to hold your hand.

Mouseinahole · 19/11/2016 08:25

I had a much loved Cairn terrier. I bought him when he was 8 weeks old. He was my friend and companion through some of the worst times in my life. He slept on my bed, local children would call and ask if they could walk him . My dd felt he saw her through the death of her father.
When my lovely Oscar reached the age of 17 he became blind and incontinent. If you picked him up he felt sort of light and hollow.
The vet said he had a form of dementia and was ready to go.
I loved that little dog but I had him pts for himself and for us.

LittleLionMansMummy · 19/11/2016 08:26

Sudden changes in animal behaviour are almost always as a result of changes they're struggling to deal with in environmental factors or through illness. If the dog is physically well then it is either mentally unwell (dementia) or acting out for another reason. We've had a cat who began sleeping in his litter tray and going to the toilet on his bed (and other places) which was due to dementia and another who began weeing and pooing around the house which was due to temporary stress and was dealt with fairly easily by dealing with the cause of her distress. If the op has ruled out stress and other environmental factors then it does sound like dementia. It's hard work with an animal like this and she needs to consider whether it's kinder to rehome (unlikely at the dog's age Sad ) or pts Sad

Crispsheets · 19/11/2016 08:31

I had PissingCat PTS when she got dementia at 13.

BabyGanoush · 19/11/2016 08:37

If this happened to my dog, I would PTS

You can't live like this

And at 17, it is probably not reversible/treatable (dementia)

OP, good luck. You are not being cruel.

2kids2dogsnosense · 19/11/2016 08:44

OP is upset enough, she clearly already feels awful about this and her poor dog and you're accusing her of thinking of him as an inconvenience? Where is your compassion?

Exactly this ^^.

It is never easy to let a much-loved pet be PTS. Frankly, most of us tend to hang on to them for much longer than we should because we can't bear the thought of letting them go - worse than that, of effectively "murdering" them. We convince ourselves that a dog which is doubly incontinent and dragging it's back legs, or a cat which shows obvious signs of dementia, is still having"quality of life"

Often we are wrong. The obvious signs are frequently less dreadful than the symptoms we cannot see: multiple organ failure, anxiety (often sheer terror at times), distress at losing control of their bladder and bowels.

Animals, much as we love them, aren't people. They fear pain, not death as they have no real concept of what may or may not be waiting for them in an afterlife.

I think that the very fact that this dog has reached the grand old age of 17 shows that he has been loved and cared for throughout his life. Things will NOT get better. He will become increasingly physically and probably neurologically ill, and increasingly distressed, especially if OP is forced to segregate him from the rest of the family. He won't know why he is suddenly confined to the kitchen when he was previously in the living room with the family.

He is 17. He is ready to go. Even if OP doesn't smack or shout (and I'm sure she doesn't), he will pick up on her frustration and it will upset him. OP has nothing to condemn herself for - I think she knows herself that the time has come for him to be PTS. She doesn't want to do it, and I think has probably hoped that someone here could offer a viable alternative - instead she has been subjected to abuse about "getting rid because he is now an inconvenience." Some people on here have been very cruel.

OP - only you can make this call, but what I will say is that if you decide to let him go, you have nothing to reproach yourself with. He has had a long and happy life in a home where he is much-loved. He will be tired, his life will be increasingly a burden to him, and to gently let him fall asleep in your arms (either inches own home or at the vet's) is really the kindest thing to do for him.

Yes - you can probably keep him going for another year or two, but at hat cost - to him as well as you? Increasing pain, increasing distress, decreasing mobility.

For those who say "would you kill your grannie if you got the chance?" - well, frankly, if my grannie was in so much pain, or mental distress, that her life wasn't worth living, then if it were legal, yes I would. A gentle release from care and pain is something that we can offer our pets that we can't have for our relatives or ourselves.

OP - whatever you decide, you have the support of many people here. Flowers It is not an easy decision.

2kids2dogsnosense · 19/11/2016 08:45

*in his, not inches

mudandmayhem01 · 19/11/2016 08:52

I love dogs and had a dog for 17 yrs and when his back legs went I had him pts. Dogs do not have a sense of self, the capacity to make decisions about their health care or ability to see in the future. Putting a dog through painful cancer treatment would be hard to justify as a dog cant see the short term suffering as been worth it for long term gains.

Unless everyone crying that that the OP is selfish for having a dog pts in this situation is a vegan there is a lot of hypocrisy on here. Everyday animals are killed for convenience, for food, for pest control, testing cancer drugs, horses that are no longer rideable, cows that no longer produce milk, my farmer friend sent a bull she very fond off to the slaughter house because his jizz was no longer getting her cows pregnant. Dogs are lovely but they are cognitively about the same as pigs whom we treat very differently.
Real animal cruelty is abuse,the horror of some slaughter houses, puppy farms, selling an unwanted horse to market to give it a chance rather than having the balls to have it pts. Having a 17 yr old dog pts even if it was purely for convenience is not cruelty

RainbowDashian · 19/11/2016 09:05

My parents had a dog that started shitting everywhere when she was about 14 or so. Her behaviour also changed in other ways too. I was a child at the time and it was absolutely foul coming downstairs to get breakfast and being hit with the stench of dog shit from yet another pile on the kitchen floor.
My parents had her put down, she got progressively worse and appeared to have some form of dementia. It was sad but sometimes it's for the best. SadFlowers