Dog pissing and shitting over everything. AIBU to PTS?

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I've just caught my dog pissing all over a fairly new side table. He stood and did it right in front of me, despite being less than two feet from access to the garden. I chased him out into the garden and cleaned it up,only to find he'd crapped in the kitchen without me knowing about it. I've shut him in the (tiled) kitchen, where he's howling and barking to be let out. He's ruined an expensive carpet through this.

Not to drip feed, he's about 17, a small crossbred who has free access to the outside and is walked daily. The vet has checked him several times and can find no physical reason this. I've also cleaned the carpet/furniture with enzyme cleaner, bio soap power and have had it professionally cleaned. My house stinks. I have a niece who will soon be crawling and I can't have her over if she's going to be crawling in dog urine (or worse, poo.)

I'm honestly thinking about having him PTS. I've owned him since he was a tiny pup and it would probably break my heart to do it, but I can't take much more of this mess either. I'm sitting here trying to get some very important work done and all I can smell is piss. All I can hear is him howling because he's been shut in the one room with a floor he can't ruin.

AIBU?

You should put him outside after every meal he has to give him chance to empty his bladder/bowels. You can also get those puppy training pads and spread them across your kitchen floor while you get things sorted. Definitely take him back to the vet/another vet and insist they take another look. He might have an underlying health problem that they didn't pick up on before. Does he have any other symptoms?

Having him PTS wouldn't even cross my mind. He doesn't have much time left and, providing he's not in pain, he should be spending his twilight years in a warm, loving home, not thrown onto a vet's table and disposed of because he's become an "inconvenience". It's not his fault and he won't understand why you're punishing him or what's going on. Poor dog

But clearly he isn't healthy!!

Blueskyrain -- would you choose to live life when so demented you couldn't toilet yourself in an appropriate place?
We force humans to live life to the bitter end after they've lost their minds, individuality, dignity. We can spare our loved pets that. Euthanasia is more painful to owners than the pets.

I agree with you Ben, if I was pissing and shitting everywhere and didn't have a clue about anything I would want someone to end my misery and to end their misery having to deal with me.

Several people, ,myself included have mentioned dementia and CCDS, Op why have you not responded to that?

But nobody here knows what's wrong with him. Even if someone was a vet, without actually having the dog in front of them they can't be certain how healthy he is and what's wrong with him. I would be trying everything I could to find out what is wrong with him and what (if anything) could be done for him. If it turns out he is very ill and in distress then I would PTS to save him from further suffering but I would never just ship him off without fighting to find out what is wrong

The canine dementia is something that definitely should be looked into, OP should get a second vet's opinon ASAP

u sound more upset abo9ut cleaning up than the welfare of your dog

u wouldnt be the same with a human would u-stop p0ssing yourelf i have guests coming!

maybe it is time but i didnt put my cat own when she started wetting herself-i was sad for her not for me

Unfortunately your dog needs to be put down, so do it soon for the good of everyone - the dog included.

YouHadMeAtCake, I wan't ignoring it. I've been on the phone to the vets about it and am waiting for a call back though I start work in a couple of hours so might have to pop in tomorrow to speak to someone.

Then again, he hates the vets so much is it right to force him through tests? I don't know what to do any more. I just want a happy dog and a clean house. I don't think I'm asking for too much. :(

I'd be taking the dog to a different practise like others have adviced!
The vets don't seem to have done much to rule out a number of things!
I do know what it's like to have animals that piss and shit everywhere.
It's very unpleasant, but i'd rule everything out before thinking about pts.

I would PTS before the lasting memory of him is as an utter pain in the Arse. Mine is sat here biting my feet, I love he little bastard but when the time comes the time comes

Our Yorkie did this when she was sixteen. Thankfully we have mainly hard floors, but she never asked to go out and even if she'd been out she would come in and do it. You have no idea how well concealed poo is on a stone floor.
Anyway one April morning I got downstairs before she woke up, so as it was sunny I put her outside. She loved pottering around the farm, and made nests in the hay so I wasn't worried when I did the school run and she hadn't reappeared. Some time during the morning she sunbathed in our driveway/entrance (a favourite place for our dogs) and was run over by a delivery truck turning round. She was very deaf and going blind so hopefully had no idea of her impending fate. Thankfully my husband found her (she was very dead) and buried her before the children got home.
Though I felt awful about having caused her death by putting her out, it was a relief not to be constantly mopping puddles and cleaning shit. It also saved us from having to make the horrid decision to PTS as she still had some quality of life. TBH at 17 your dog has had a good long life and I can fully sympathise with how you are feeling and certainly wouldn't judge you if you do decide to PTS.

Such kind and sensible posts from 2kids2dogs. YANBU, OP. I am not a dog person but I've been in this kind of situation with elderly cats and it's very hard, but so important to take responsibility for doing the humane thing.

Ah bless him.

Our old cat became incontinent aged 17 and also fell down the stairs and seemed to forget how to eat and we had to spoon feed him.

We had him pts in the end and really we should have done it sooner.

Your vets sound very unhelpful as am incontinent animal is really hard to live with and it's really not fair to anyone let alone your doggie

Good luck op don't feel bad

Do vets 'throw' dogs onto their tables when putting them to sleep?

I've had two cats pts a different times by different vets, no throwing involved in either.

You can pay the vet for a home visit.

My post about dogs being thrown onto vets tables was aimed at TheEternalForever

Throwing?? Not here either we have had 2 cats pts over the years and the vets were so kind it made me cry more.

One lovely lady told me cat 'you have been a good cat and had a wonderful life and now it's time for you to rest' blubbing now.

My friend's elderly cat started to behave in the same way. Suddenly started messing everywhere and constantly yowling. The vet said that he had a form of dementia. I'd get a second opinion if I were you.

Import 17 is such a good age for a dog.It sadly does sound like it is time to let him go. I would never ever suggest that unless it sounded bad enough,but it sounds like he is very unhappy. I would get the vet to come to the house. Give him some really lovely treats, his favourite foods etc. You can say goodbye in the comfort of his own home, not in a clinical treatment room. I have been there over the years, a fair few times and my heart breaks each time and I still miss them terribly, to the point I am in floods of tears just writing this.

charlestonchaplin I agree that there are many, many people out there with dubious motives. I see this day in day out as I work with people with dementia and learning disabilities and most people would not believe the lengths others will go to for financial gain. I have fought many times to protect those in situations such as those that you describe.This is why I work to uphold the rights of those who lack capacity around specific decisions, and to safeguard them, and I hope I will always have the opportunity, and the privilege to continue working in this field, so I can carry on doing so.

However I do see the pain, anguish and distress that individual's experience in the final stages of dementia, despite much excellent care that is provided. If the choice of euthanasia was there for a loved one in those circumstances would I take it? Quite possibly. Would I make an advanced statement for myself in this regard? Quite possibly. I entirely respect that your beliefs and experiences would lead you to making a different decision, should it ever be an option.

I don't want to derail the thread with this discussion (I'm so sorry OP), so I will say no more. I will just end by saying that whether human or animal, any decisions made should always be guided by, and solely motivated by, what is in that person's/animal's best interests. That is the premise by which I endeavour to live both my professional and personal life.

We had our cat PTS when he was 15 for this same reason - he became very confused about everything, would seem completely lost most of the time, would forget where his food bowl was, would sit and meow at the radiator for some reason. And shit and piss all over the beds and the carpet.

AT the point where I felt he had more bad days than good days and that he was distressed and failing, I took him to the vet. She was certain it was dementia, just from the symptoms. SHe was very kind to me and to him. I think it is a kindness to help the passing of an elderly and confused pet - it must be so upsetting for them too, just like it is for elderly people.