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To feel uncomfortable about finances?

173 replies

whyohwhydoibother · 16/11/2016 15:45

Ok. Bit of a long one here ladies (and gentlemen), so I apologise. Also, any monetary figures are not intended as a stealth boast, but more as a perspective to our situation. We recognise that we are incredibly fortunate to be in the situation we are.

I am the breadwinner for our house. Our DC is under 1, and my partner stays home to take care of them. For background, we both have fairly demanding careers which can be affected by time off, however in my current job I earn 3 times as much as my partner.

We decided for economic and various other complicated reasons that I would go back to work after my paid maternity leave finished, and my partner would take the following 6-9 months unpaid leave. So far so good, I love my job, it's very rewarding, and I think is helping me to recover from post natal depression/anxiety.

My problem comes with our finances. Before my partner went on leave, we discussed our outgoings, and agreed a figure for all of his costs, plus 'buffer'. He also gets all of the agreed food budget. For reference, this is equivalent to £1500 a month (£1000 of 'his' money - mostly pre-relationship debts - and £500 a month for food).

For the last 3 months, an average of £1500 extra a month has been taken out of the savings account to pay his credit card. He says this is 'living expenses' which seems to include any coffees, house items or extras that he doesn't deem as being directly related to him. I feel very uncomfortable about this, as I thought our agreed budget covered these extras, as when I buy them, I take them out of 'my' money (budgeted at £1000 a month).

I am in the fortunate position of having none of my own debts to pay, so the budget was agreed to be strictly equitable, however I rarely spend it, and any leftovers are put into the joint savings account. In addition, I tend to arrange a pre-planned food delivery service for myself, which I pay for out of my own budget, not the family food money. He is usually only buying for himself and our baby.

When I try to discuss this matter, my partner gets very defensive, and we can end up arguing. I don't believe he's hiding or taking extra money, as I have access to all of his accounts, however it's the general attitude towards addressing my concerns I can't understand. We are trying to invest as much as we can, so we can ultimately have a choice about what jobs we take, but I end up feeling my partner is spending to 'compensate' for taking time off work.

So as not to drip feed, when we initially set up home together, I paid off roughly £30000 of his debt from my own savings, to allow us to get an investment mortgage, which he wants to decrease at £1000 per month he's not working, in addition to his other outgoings. I am also funding a nanny and the cost of various courses for him to be able to alter his career, and likely allow him to remain close to home once his parental leave ends (the alternative could be him working 1500 miles away), which will work out to around £10000.

Is this unreasonable? Am I being fair in expressing concern about the level of spending? Or do I have to accept that this is just the level of expense associated with supporting a family of two adults and one child?

OP posts:
Mix56 · 16/11/2016 16:51

Sadly, as much as theoretically joint savings should be the norm.
He has had you pay off his debts, (you have been asked over & over, why is he in debt?)
He can get cash back from supermarket, & plump up a hidden account ready for a rainy day.
He is not studying, he is not going to repay you.
being a SAHD was supposed to end & now it's another 5 months,
You have a nanny already ? is she attractive?
Then he gets bolshy when you want to discuss it.
He is having a laugh.

Summerwood1 · 16/11/2016 16:52

I agree with the post that said red light warning.

category12 · 16/11/2016 16:52

I can't see how the pre-existing debt can have gone if he's still paying back £1K a month?

whyohwhydoibother · 16/11/2016 16:54

I suppose I come across as potentially negative because I'm only giving my viewpoint. I offered to cover his debts initially because financial security is one of my big triggers, so I'd rather we didn't owe money to anyone!

I'm definitely committed to my partner, and I have no reason to think he's anything but loving and supportive to me and our DC. I certainly don't think that money squabbles would be a reason to end our relationship, I think it's just been the uneven balance of power that's left us both unsure where we stand.

He feels that all of the money is 'mine' and he's accountable to me for it, and resents it, whereas I (try to) think of the money coming in as 'ours' and I am accountable to him! I hold my hands up and say I struggle with what was 'my' income being shared, but I'm trying to change my viewpoint.

For the posters who are cynical, I apologise for dripfeeding, it's a lot to try and put into one post (as most relationships are) and I suppose it seems more unbelievable when you look at it all together - but I promise it's real!

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Trifleorbust · 16/11/2016 16:55

I'm quite confused. He has paid back the debt? So now he is spending £500 on food, £1,000 on something else (you said that was mostly going on debt) and running up credit card spending of £1500 per month on top of this? That's £3000 monthly. There is something here that literally does not add up.

Embletoni · 16/11/2016 16:55

YANBU; he is being disrespectful in spending substantially more than the agreed monthly budget. And I'd be wondering why - does he have an expensive habit (gambling?), is he stashing your savings away somewhere ready for a potential future split (sorry, but you mentioned the relationship was very young) or something else?

That said, it's all relative. If you're bringing home 20k/month and he's used to your pre-child very expensive lavish lifestyle (eg a daily coffee out = afternoon tea at The Ritz), then £1000/1500 isn't much and he might feel 'hard done by'.

The whole set up isn't very team oriented though. He is currently a SAHD, yet you order your own food. I'm not sure why cooking your meals isn't part of his role within your relationship, which should obviously be suitable to a new mum trying to lose weight if he cares about you as a person. He is having his cake and eating it, regardless of the exact monetary amount involved.

OohhThatsMe · 16/11/2016 16:59

I know you are committed to the relationship, but is this wise so early on?

Mix56 · 16/11/2016 17:00

Stop the bleeding. Tell him you cannot & will not spend every penny you make. Do not put your left over money in the joint account. Save it.
The very fact you bailed him out on his debt shows that you have a better grasp on how to budget. he is flakey with money. You should not just throw it away.
Just what has he got to show for it?
The figures are nuts.

Trifleorbust · 16/11/2016 17:00

I'm not sure why cooking your meals isn't part of his role within your relationship...

Oh come on. It's not that he refuses to cook - the OP wants to eat special meals and orders this food in for herself. That is her choice. How many female posters are told on here every day that they are SAHP, not maidservants? How many are told that their partner is clearly capable of coming home and 'chucking something in the oven'?

Shadowboy · 16/11/2016 17:01

Good lord how much was his total debt??! Personally, I would not be paying back someone else's debt that was created before I met them - I would help them not make more debt but he seems to be sweeping through your money quite quickly.... he needs to get back to work and you pay for a nanny. He is a parent and should be able to manage his own debt

TinklyLittleLaugh · 16/11/2016 17:03

Pre kids I earned a lot more than my DP. When we got together We chucked all our money into the pot. Basically I paid off his debts and my savings paid the deposit on our first flat.

Then I was a SAHM for many years, bringing in zilch. I always had totally free access to all our money. In fact I was the one who managed it day to day, paid the bills, budgeted and saved.

Nowadays we earn roughly the same. We each dip into the joint fund if we want something.

The big factor is that neither of us takes the piss. We are considerate of each other and our overall budget with our spending. No need to have separate spending allowances or savings or anything, we are adults who behave decently towards each other. It works well for us.

milliemolliemou · 16/11/2016 17:04

Trifle

Trifle Have you done the sums? I think we'd all agree he should go back to work as agreed in 3/4 months time but he seems in the meantime to be taking her for a laugh and an extra £1500 pcm. He's only cared for the child for 7 months and she's prepared to pay for a nanny. I agree not a good sign for an LTR and an equal relationship - but he's spending money they haven't agreed. And he's probably very safe being her DP if he's ensconced looking after the DC and taking out the extra money.

OohhThatsMe · 16/11/2016 17:06

I think if my partner was generous enough to pay off my bills, I'd be working really hard to retrain and pay that back. Watching TV and playing on his phone are leisure activities - they're not what he should be doing if he's hoping to retrain. I would also make sure that I wasn't spending much in other spheres - the security of knowing someone had paid my bills would be so amazing I'd be willing and happy to cut back elsewhere.

wednesdaynewdaytoday · 16/11/2016 17:07

All he has to do now is bid his time for another year and get a 50:50 split in your savings before splitting up. Face it, the only one to lose out on this 50:50 split is you.

LillianGish · 16/11/2016 17:11

financial security is one of my big triggers, so I'd rather we didn't owe money to anyone! And therein lies your problem. He obviously doesn't see anything wrong in running up debt. Either he has to change or you have to learn to live with it. I don't think it has to be a massive problem as long as you are earning enough between you to cover all your outgoings, but if you live with a spender then it will always be much harder to tuck something away for a rainy day.

Trifleorbust · 16/11/2016 17:11

Millie: I didn't say he wasn't. The numbers aren't really adding up at the moment so ignore that for now. My point is that the OP's attitude towards shared money, taken in the round, isn't a positive one. Her underlying wish seems to be for her DP to work and for them to have separate money. Not unreasonable, but she needs to own that and stop fooling herself that she sees herself as accountable to him financially. Very obviously not true.

And there are some double standards in evidence on the thread that I have pointed out because they are double standards - they have little to do with the overspending issue.

realhousewifeoffitzrovia · 16/11/2016 17:11

While I lean towards the "all money is family money" school of financial thought, I don't think it's reasonable to expect partners to share family income equally if one partner is an irresponsible spender. Your DP might need more spending money than the £1000/month that is going primarily towards paying off his debt, and a partnership should tolerate reasonable differences in spending styles, but that doesn't mean he gets to blow through an additional £1500 a month. Sounds like you and he need to agree financial goals and reset a budget - and if he can't stick to that, he doesn't get to dip into the family purse.

YelloDraw · 16/11/2016 17:11

Have I missed why he is in debt?

If, for example, you are in the US and it is med school debt I can be more sympathetic. If you are in the UK and it is gambling debt, less so.

whyohwhydoibother · 16/11/2016 17:14

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the input. I know from the outside this has 'red flag' all over it, and I'm not blind to it - I suppose you can't really see how a relationship works from either side. You only get my tinted perspective!

I understand why posters say they wouldn't have taken on pre-existing debt, but once my partner was off work, there was nothing coming in to pay it off! And it seemed more sensible to me to not pay interest on it, as it would just be coming out of the family pot anyway.

I know it's a lot of money when you look at the totals, but as I said before, I'm lucky enough to have had it available.. we all like to think we've made the right decision, and I suppose for us only time will tell, but as I said before, I would be surprised if it all went tits up. I have some personal protected savings, and our assets are in trust for our DC, so as long as I can still work, I should be ok if the worst happens.

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Halloweensnake · 16/11/2016 17:15

Bloody hell,your being taken for a fantastic ride...

whyohwhydoibother · 16/11/2016 17:23

And as for why he was previously in debt, I don't know if it helps or hinders things! He basically took on the brunt of a failed business/being made redundant/unemployed partner to help him get out of a previous relationship.

So no gambling debts as far as I know! And like I said earlier, all our spending is on credit cards, and I have access to the statements, but I haven't sit and scrutinised them every month, because up until the consecutive bills, I thought it was invasive and belittling!

We've already agreed to sit down and go through our total budget, to try work out where we can be more sensible, and I was trying to get some perspectives beforehand, so I know how understanding/firm/irrational I should be!

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Mix56 · 16/11/2016 17:25

All he has to do now is bid his time for another year and get a 50:50 split in your savings before splitting up. Face it, the only one to lose out on this 50:50 split is you
plus he could maintain he was primary carer & get custody of child to boot.

wednesdaynewdaytoday · 16/11/2016 17:27

Well said Mix
For a seemingly intelligent woman, you are incredibly naive OP.

JCo24 · 16/11/2016 17:38

You are so not being unreasonable!!!

You paid off his debt he should be working his butt off to change his ways...

HyacinthFuckit · 16/11/2016 17:39

I don't think this is a SAHP thing. You're a team and so it would be reasonable for either of you to question the other spending £1500 a month on your personal costs. Especially when you as a household have a lot of debt and need to fund retraining plus associated childcare costs in the near future. If he came on here saying he couldn't understand how you were spending that much and should he say something, I'd agree with him too.

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