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To have taken this action with ds

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SEmyarse · 06/11/2016 09:09

I honestly don't know but I seem to have become heartbroken over doing what I thought was the right thing.

Ds is 20 and we have always got on like a house on fire. We've always chatted loads about everything. Maybe the background is a little relevant - I fell pregnant with him at 19 to a man that was severely disabled and terminally ill. I was told he probably wouldn't live to see the birth but he actully lived until ds was 9. Yes, I was incredibly silly falling pregnant in this way, but I've spent the whole of his life trying to do what was right by him. I ended up in a major legal battle to try to get his father living with us (took 5 years) and then another 5 years handling a very extensive care package to enable us to live together. I very definitely did this because I considered it the right thing to do for ds, but I'm not sure now due to other factors. We also had a second child - dd1.

After his dad died I remarried and had a third child, and despite all the early trauma in his life ds coped very well and got on great with his step father.

The only issue in his life was complete lack of motivation - ever. This became apparent throughout secondary school. He just wouldn't do anything, regardless of consequences. We regularly had teachers tearing their hair out with frustration (as was I) that work was never completed. He had many and varied sanctions, but nothing ever made a blind bit of difference (and I was rather cross with the school that they often gave him more and more chances, which undermined things).

My mother also paid for driving lessons for him. He took a few and despite saying he really wanted to drive, just stopped booking them. I have no idea why since he often expressed frustration that he wasn't driving. My mother was furious and after 18 months transferred them to his cousin who passed quickly. Ds expresses jealousy of his cousin.

So he left school with some great grades (from the subjects that had held his hand) and some completely missing subjects where he didn't complete coursework (one piece took 3 years and still didn't get done) and even an exam that he didn't turn up for.

Knowing how completely unmotivated he was I encouraged him to go to college to do a practical subject, but as soon as they met him and had his references from school explaining he's an extremely bright lad they persuaded him to take a-levels. He presents extremely well and can charm the birds from the trees.

His first year at college, he spent in the snooker club and on the skateramp. He decided to restart telling me he'd realised the error of his ways and changed. He went back to his old school and restarted at 6th form. This was worse, and he did nothing, and I started getting phone calls to say he was now disruptive, playing the clown. This was embarrassing, he was the oldest kid in the school. I told the school I would talk to him but that was realistically all I could do, if he was disruptive then they should ask him to leave. They didn't, they gave him chance after chance, and even after he got CEU grades when he was supposed to get CCC, they let him back on the course. All teachers say he was capable of As.

When he got a part time job I asked him to pay a small amount of rent in the hope that it might click that there were things in life that had to be done. He has always been expected to help out around the house also. He did these things without grumbling but without exception had to be asked to do them.

In April this year he dropped out of 6th form and was immediately given full time hours at his job, and also a promotion. I assume this means he works hard at his job (it's a cafe). I explained to ds that if he wanted to work in the cafe long term that was fine by me. He said that's absolutely not what he wanted to do and he wanted a career. I said that was fine, but because of history of not ever doing anything that I would have to be quite pushy with him. He would have to pay a more proportionate share of living costs (which he agreed was fair) and come up with some kind of plan of what he was going to pursue if he wanted to live here relatively cheaply as a step up into something else. I gave him until the end of July to tell me what the plan was, and if there was no plan that he would have to move out by the end of October. He agreed with this totally. Apart from anything else his sister's could do with separate rooms.

Things domestically went down hill. We had to chase his rent every month. He stopped doing anything around the house. He stopped communication about food so after many wasted dinners we stopped including him in dinner arrangements. He stopped doing even the small amount of housework he'd been doing. His room descended into squalor, and he only stayed here about 2 nights a week. If I ever tried to tackle any of these subjects he told me there was no point because he was moving out soon. He even refused to clear up when I had a landlord inspection.

July came and went with no response, so in August I had a chat with him and he confirmed he intended to move out at the end of October. I said I was going to have to be hard and strictly enforce this, because we were getting nowhere. He said he understood it was for his own good, he agreed he would carry on taking the mick otherwise. I cried, he could see I was extremely upset at having to ask him to move on. Despite the problems we chatted all the time and he got on great with his sisters.

So end of October, I could see no action of any kind and with a week to go he went to Budapest. He had 3 days left when he came back and he told me he'd got something sorted although he kept muttering about a room in a crack house. He said it was only for 3 months until he went to Australia. He's been talking about this for a while, but as with everything else I didn't believe it would happen. I was determined to stand firm and do what I thought was right for him and make him stand on his own feet at last. My husband thought maybe we should extend till after xmas but I was determined not to kick it down the road again, I didn't think we were doing him any favours.

At the last minute, it turned out that he's actually been offered the room at his friend's house (who's already gone to Australia) for zero rent. Apparently the other mum's of his friendship group think me getting him to pay his way was utterly unreasonable at his age (20) and were queuing up to take him in. He has now expressed (as never before) that he thinks I've treated him badly.

I am heartbroken. I was only trying to do this to help him - genuinely. I almost couldn't bear the thought of him not being around, we've been through a lot together, but I was determined to do what was best to help him grow up. If I'd known this was going to happen I wouldn't have asked him to move on.

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SEmyarse · 06/11/2016 11:07

GnomedePlume has definitely hit on one part of the emotional stuff. I feel like I chose to do the right thing at 19 by keeping him and fighting every part of the social/council etc to care for him and my family. I don't recall anyone mentioning the option of abortion, which i'm actually glad about because I think I would have gone for it and then regretted it further down the line.

So no regrets there but when I think back to myself at 20, living in the homeless hostel with a baby, having to provide full care for my husband there 3 nights a week because otherwise I would lose the only accessible flat, and I wasn't eligible for other housing in this district. So caring for a newborn, plus getting up 10 times per night to move my husband/ do chest physio. Feeding the coin meter extortionate amounts to keep his ventilator going. Feeding a baby while simultaneously hoisting him onto the loo.

None of this is anything to do with ds (apart from the fact he was present), but on an emotional level it really hurts to know I literally sacrificed my life for him. I had real consequences for my actions. i was so determined that he was going to be a decent accountable human being, but I feel I've failed.

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SEmyarse · 06/11/2016 11:08

Definitely wracked with guilt

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Namechangeemergency · 06/11/2016 11:09

My apologies for reaching that conclusion based on your OP OP

It does seem that you are determined to blame yourself for everything that your son does and you are using your decision to stand by his dad to do this.

You know what? Loads of people have complicated lives and experience horrible loss. The fact that your son seems to get along very well in life seems to suggest that he is doing ok.

I am struggling to see why you are so distressed by all this. Disappointed, a bit anxious, yes...but this level of angst seems unusual.

You have an adult son who is being flaky and not living with you.

That is normal.

I don't think you have done the wrong thing by asking him to leave. Its not what everyone would do but plenty would. I don't think its a good idea to keep extending this punishment as suggested by other posters.

Why is it a bad thing that he comes back for a shower? It doesn't have to be all or nothing. He can live somewhere else and still treat your home as his home within reasonable limits.

You have made your point. He has left. If other parents chose to indulge him that is their look out.

Namechangeemergency · 06/11/2016 11:11

i was so determined that he was going to be a decent accountable human being, but I feel I've failed

He is twenty. He is emotionally immature and a bit selfish.
Don't write him off. He hasn't killed anyone.

yomellamoHelly · 06/11/2016 11:11

On the flip side you can now concentrate on enjoying his company when you do see him and start moving this on to developing an adult relationship.

SEmyarse · 06/11/2016 11:14

He's been unmotivated by everything else. Why would he be motivated to see me?

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BlueFolly · 06/11/2016 11:16

Maybe he won't be motivated to see you much straight away. It's perfectly normal to want to establish some distance from your parents when you grow up, your relationship with him will probably wax and wane. I assume he will be back as soon as his hosts tire of him and the cycle will start again.

QueenLizIII · 06/11/2016 11:17

He is twenty. He is emotionally immature and a bit selfish.

What?

he has been brought up by a mother caring for a profoundly disabled father and she admits she was just young and stupid and didnt love DH.

She spent 5 years of their lives in a huge court battle to get DH living with them and having another DC alongside him. Spending his early babyhood even balancing care of disabed DH.

Selfish? No wonder he lacks motivation, his most formative years were never about him. Perhaps he felt permanently neglected.

llangennith · 06/11/2016 11:18

I feel for you OP but (gulp) could I put another POV? Maybe your DS is tightened to really try to achieve all the goals you have set him over the years in case he fails? Fear of failure is a big thing. If he doesn't try then he can't fail. He lacks confidence in himself and in you.
The best thing for you is him leaving home but he's obviously scared to leave (fear of change) and doesn't want to.

Can he not just live at home, yes pay rent, and continue in his job without you constantly asking him about his career& aspirations? Maybe letting him know you'll leave him to get on with his life so long as he respects the family home and helps out would be the way forward.
I too got pregnant and married at 18 and didn't have a clue how to cope. Just muddled through till I was about 30.

SEmyarse · 06/11/2016 11:18

Well he won't be living here. His sister (14) has very much made herself at home in his room. She desperately needed it to be honest.

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EmeraldIsle100 · 06/11/2016 11:18

You haven't failed so please stop beating yourself up. I have been through the same with my DS and so have lots of mums on this this thread. You sound a bit worn out and it is no wonder. It is really frustrating watching someone capable acting like a dickhead.

I hope you don't mind me saying so but you need to let go. I completely understand that the worry drives you around the bend but you are jeopardising your health.

I ended up seeing my doctor over the head of two DC who behaved like your DS. I got anxiety tablets which helped but most of all just talking about it and hearing it is absolutely normal.

Be kind to yourself, you really have done a wonderful job of raising your children.

Namechangeemergency · 06/11/2016 11:19

queen fgs its perfectly normal to be 'a bit selfish' when you are twenty.
Whats with the outrage?

Namechangeemergency · 06/11/2016 11:20

In fact...have you read any of my posts or did you just jump on one sentence out of context? Confused

BlueFolly · 06/11/2016 11:20

QueenLizIII most children are born into families that have other things going on. It is possible to care for a baby in a way that makes them feel secure and do other things as well.

QueenLizIII · 06/11/2016 11:21

Namechange

Maybe he has never had a chance to be selfish before. Childhood sounded rough and now he is demonised.

toptoe · 06/11/2016 11:23

The moving out isn't working. He isn't ready to by the sounds of things. Did he ever have a CAMHS assessment to get to the bottom of his behaviour at school? Or was he not that much of a concern? It sounds a bit like he doesn't trust people and doesn't engage in education or employment because it's part of a system he doesn't trust. So he feels 'what's the point?' Does he ever say things to you that are unrealistic about his aims in life?

FrancisCrawford · 06/11/2016 11:27

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JellyBelli · 06/11/2016 11:28

Apparently the other mum's of his friendship group think me getting him to pay his way was utterly unreasonable at his age (20) and were queuing up to take him in. He has now expressed (as never before) that he thinks I've treated him badly.

It is completely out of order for the other parents to undermine you in that way. This is an opinion I've seen frequently on MN, the you shouldnt charge your kids rent.
But not everyone can afford to keep another adult free of charge. Plus in your sons case, he needed a kick up the bum.

Dont beat yourself up. TANBU. Let him go, at some point the enabling mothers will let him down (its inevitable). He'll either wise up or turn on them. Some people need to have someone to blame and look everywhere buyt at themselves.
Whereas you are the type to take it all on yourself. You cant control other people, try to remember that. Flowers

NightNightBadger19962 · 06/11/2016 11:29

I think what you both went through in his early years has had a legacy for both of you Flowers . You have by the sounds of things been a very loving and caring Mum, and have provided for your family really well. It also sounds like you and he do have a good relationship - you're still more or less talking to each other in the midst of this after all. I think he probably seeks attachment with teachers/other Mums - and will tell them different things than he tells you - they only get that bit of the picture, and you only get your bit. this is why he gets looked after so much elsewhere. That will help him in some ways, but maybe not with motivation. Its his job now as an adult to try and work all these things out, yours to be loving and caring but to stop him remaining dependent.

Pimmmms · 06/11/2016 11:31

Op, please look up ADHD Inattentive and see if the symptoms match your DS. The lack of motivation for how whole life screams far more complex issues to me.

SEmyarse · 06/11/2016 11:31

I'm not sure how I've inadvertantly given the impression that I go on about careers. That couldn't be further from the truth. It's hardly been mentioned in all honesty.

What I meant was that when he dropped out of school he was told that he could stay at home but rent must be paid, he had to chip in round the house, and engage with the family. IF he chose to just stay at the cafe then it was only fair that he eventually moved on because even after paying rent he had far more disposable cash than us (£200 ish a week), so was living like a king while his sisters were squashed in together.

IF however he showed signs of wanting to do some training, or even just some serious saving, or even just learing to drive or something then I was happy for him to stay and use us as a cushion. What actually happened was that he was partying every single night and the coming in with complaints like 'oh, I'm so tired of eating at pizza express' which was really quite galling.

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Namechangeemergency · 06/11/2016 11:32

Again queen read my posts so far.

Being selfish can be normal and it can be a reaction to a number of things (or a mixture of both).
Either way it still needs to be challenged because its not a good trait to carry on into adult life.

My DS was horribly selfish and self absorbed and I knew why. I understood and I sympathised. I didn't blame him but that doesn't mean I couldn't challenge him.

I was self absorbed when I was 20. I expect the majority of use were.

I don't think it does the young many any favours to have this trait pathologised.

DS is still a bit of a flake but he is far more thoughtful and mature. As I would have expected of someone who is growing up.

I don't know why we expect young people to behave like fully formed 50 year olds with a wealth of learning and experience behind them and are so disappointed when they don't.

Namechangeemergency · 06/11/2016 11:35

Pimmms really?

My DS couldn't stick to anything at 20. He is almost 23 and has a very responsible job.

Pimmmms · 06/11/2016 11:38

So your DS couldn't stick to anything at 20, but was he like that ALL the way through his childhood? Was he clever enough, but utterly and completely disorganised HIS WHOLE LIFE?

Oakmaiden · 06/11/2016 11:40

I know you keep saying you feel guilty about his younger life, and I am reluctant to write this, as it feels a bit like kicking someone who is down. but. To me, what is coming over, is not so much guilt at the way his younger life went as resentment at all the sacrifices you have made (for him?) and his refusal to be what you think he should be.

And I can understand that, I really can, and if I am reading it right I don't think that makes you a bad person, just a very human one. but it might be worth spending some time thinking that, actually, he hasn't turned out that bad. You are not kicking him out because he is violent, feckless, criminal or in any way unpleasant. He is in fact choosing to leave because he thinks you should go on facilitating him and you have decided it is time he facilitates himself. He could choose to say "OK, Mum, you are right, I will pay the rent and keep my room clean and tidy". He is choosing not to. That is his choice, and you have to let him make it and not take the responsibility of his choice on yourself.

He is not the person you think he should or could be, but he has time and you will be best to let him find his own way without the burden or support of your expectations.