To think this man was rude on flight?

[Lionking1981]

On long haul night flight yesterday. My 5 year old would not fall asleep as she was quite excited and enjoying watching all the cartoons. After 5 hours, I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer and drifted off. I was awakened by the man infront shouting 'oh for fucks sake' and throwing his headphones on the floor. I realised my daughter had been kicking his chair, I apologised, got my child to apologise but he didn't even answer - just threw a glare and turned round. I of course stayed awake for the rest of the flight to make sure she didn't do it again. At the end of the flight, he stood up and said loudly that that was the last time he will ever fly with the cattle class. I know I should have theoretically made sure she did not kick his chair and I know it is annoying but surely this was just bloody rude ?

And for what it's worth IScream - yes I've flown long flights and been dog tired... Yes, I've endured and spoken to seat kickers. Yes I appreciate a child gets bored on a flight. Yes, I appreciate man was rude (but don't blame him), yes OP hasn't filled us in apart from 'nasty man was rude and swore'.

As I said, I understand his annoyance. I just don't think it's necessary to deal with life so aggressively, that's all.

I think he was rude because he swore loudly infront of a young child.

I greatly dislike the "don't swear in front of children" argument in regards to public places, especially ones dominated by adults. It's asking everyone to adapt to the presence of a child instead of teaching the child why they shouldn't repeat those words. (Obviously this does not apply to private areas, nor to things like Disney, schools, or the childrens' playground.)

Right as in he was justified in being annoyed (which I agree he was), but he lost any moral high ground, in my opinion, based on the scarce facts we have considering none of us were there.

It wasn't and isn't my intention to argue by the way, just to express a wish that people (generally) were a bit less aggressive and single minded. I know, I need to dream on!

iscream but we have no idea about this man.
I probably would have been the sane.
I have disabilities. Someone kicking my seat ( coupled with being a very anxious flier) would leave me in agony.
I don't know how restrained i would have been after that.
i Don't go around swearing every minute of the day, when i'm in pain and streased occassionally the odd bad word comes out.

I'd love to get the mans version of what happened.

As would I. The more I read of this thread, the more I suspect it was not him bellowing at the five year old girl, nor was it a case that the girl waited until Mum was asleep to begin kicking.

I will say, though, people should lay off about her getting a nap. It's not like her child was free to roam the cabin, she was penned in a window seat, and Mum was directly next to her, and had seen to it DD was entertained before Mum nodded off.

Me too.
Also everyone saying how bad and aggressive he was for swearing in the vicinity the child.
Stuck on a plane, unable to change seats and having it kicked may make even the most reasonable person lose it.

HeyOverThere

"The more I read this thread the more I suspect ... etc etc"

You mean the more frothed up I get by other people's theories based on their own prejudices, based on the OP's meagre few posts

It's actually quite funny

BTW

You can see why it's so easy to troll on MN. 8 pages of theorising and arguing the toss about a trivial incident.

If the man's outburst woke the OP, how did she know it was because her dd had been kicking his chair?

Just guessing here (like everyone else on this thread) that OP woke up when the man shouted, saw her daughter kicking his chair, and realised from that. Makes the most sense really.

She doesn't have to say she saw her DD kicking the chair as saying she realised implies that she saw it.

I'm sorry that you were awake for 24 hours as you say op, but your poor planning doesn't really constitute the right for other passengers to be disturbed by kicking the seat while you sleep.

What if your dd had taken off her seatbelt and crawled under your legs to roam the plane? (I've seen this in a few long haul flights to Florida with over excited kids.)

Maybe he could've handled it differently but I can completely understand his annoyance.

Why jump to that conclusion?

Why jump to the conclusion that she was kicking the chair for 5 hours?

Is this thread really still going? How much is there to say?

It's just attracting unsavoury types now.

I hate kids kicking my seat (never say anything tho), but if the mum apologised and did her best to stop it happening, I'd be gracious about it. Bit of give-and-take never hurts, does it?

I am the OP of this thread. I stopped posted on it pages ago when reason was thrown out of the window and people started inventing imaginary theories that the man had tried to wake me up before swearing (he didn't - I'm not that much of a light sleeper), he tried to speak to my child before swearing (he didn't - she'd have been mortified and told me), that my 5 year old child must be a naughty little shit (she really isn't). Yes, I saw her swinging her legs when I woke up with a start. I saw him stand up infront of me and throw down his headphones. Not quite sure why some posters think this would require x ray vision. I just saw.

I am aware that I created an AIBU, I was interested in hearing people's opinions and was prepared for people to disagree but didn't expect the replies to be so nasty to be honest. I'm sorry I created it.