AIBsuperU to want a house with a nuclear fallout shelter?

[WeArePregnant11]

Uhm, yeah, that's basically the whole question.

Well... whether he'd be willing to convince the school that a bunker was needed?

That's how we got a football field when I was little.

I have no idea if your joking right now! But no way is a school in Scotland going to build a bunker

Not joking. Although tired/nervous and potentially a bit crazy.

Not even a private school? If the parents paid for it? There goes this weird scheme. my wife would probably try to murder me with evil glares if I tried to conspire with my father. So... yeah. Maybe not.

OP, before you mentioned it, I was going to ask if you were from Switzerland. I remember visiting relatives there in the 70s / 80s and my dad telling me there was provision for everyone in the event of a nuclear attack. I remember the smell of the passages in the basements of blocks of flats and the heavy doors with big wheel handles that led to the fallout shelters. My great aunt and uncle also had to keep stockpiles of food at all times and they had loads of out of date rice and sugar. I recall wishing we could have a nuclear shelter in our back garden.

Your not crazy op but I definetly think you should look into getting health for your anxiety, thinking about trying to build bunkers (private school also very very unlikely to do that, I'd eat my hat if one ever did, huge waste of money, time etc for them as it would never be used) is extremely anxious, are you going to stop your future child going on school trips as no bunker or rations? To be so anxious to the point where your going to build your own bunker and petition your child's school must be exhausting, would it not be easier, better, healthier to seek help to tackle the anxiety rather then plan for a dooms day that will probably never happen, your more likely to get in a car crash then a nuclear war.

zen

Yup, although the food is just a recommend. But the bunkers have been mandatory since the 60ies...

We don't have out of date food. We have this excel list where the best eat before date is mentioned, so it's super easy to know when to end what.

*getting help not health.

My relatives were pretty old at the time and don't think they realised their food was out of date, but when my mum pointed it out, they were paranoid about getting more in. A list sounds a good idea!

They had other rules we found strange too, like not hanging out washing on a balcony, but I don't know whether that was actually a law or just them!

Nah, the school plan was admittedly not very well thought out. Although schools having panic rooms do seem smart. Also because of shooting and stuff. But Scottish schools didn't need one up to now, so that's that.

Having a bunker was normal for me when growing up. It's not something strange in my mind. It's like... idk. Like having a dog on a farm.
Same with the gun. I grew up with people having guns (for hunting, the military, sport, whatever...)

I'm usually genuinely not anxious. Maybe a bit pessimistic, but that's normal in the field I work in (there are apparently even some studies about it). So, idk. As I said, if it doesn't get better in the next 2 days (where Zoll try to burn some energy some way, no idea how, tbh!) I'll call my doctor.

zen did they live in an apartment? There are apartement house rules like that.

We used to have them in the backyard (when no guests were around). My mother always says she prefers the smell of sun dried laundry... but there are many things you can't do on a Sunday in Switzerland.

Yes, they lived on the top floor of an apartment. Lovely country - I have many happy memories of visiting there. Good luck with your pregnancy and I hope your anxiety decreases in the coming weeks.

Stress not about Nuclear attacks op.

Scotland has its traditional deterrent of the Stanley knife, the broken Buckfast bottle and the half brick. I'd back a team of bams armed with that lot against a nuclear attack any day of the week.

I never realised that about the Swiss.

I'm probably showing my total and absolute ignorance here (sorry) but why are they so insistent about nuclear shelters? I thought they were neutral so why would they be a target?

Hope you feel better about it all in the morning op.

I think you should maybe speak to your midwife about your anxiety. When I was pregnant with my first, I couldn't watch the news because the North Korea stuff (at the time) was giving me major anxiety.

I've lived in Scotland all my life - the worst we have to prepare for is a winter storm, but even that isn't so bad in the grand scheme of things. Gun crime is virtually non-existent since Dunblane. Since Dunblane all schools and nurseries have to have secure entry systems so people can't enter the building at will. But you won't find a school or nursery with a bunker, they just don't exist.

I agree with the OP that the US election is making war with Russia more likely. Hopefully not nuclear destruction on our doorstep though. I don't agree with those saying it's better to be dead than survive a nuclear bomb though -- afaik if you're in the fallout zone a lot of radiation poisoning can be avoided if you get out of the polluted dust asap. There were lots of Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors who lived lives long after the bomb, albeit with vastly increased chances of cancer. I know it's hopefully hypothetical, but not cool to decide that hardships are not worth your children living through.

I think the difference is that there wouldn't be just one bomb; the aim would be to paralyse the country. Overload emergency services, the NHS. It'd be different from the comparatively small and isolated attacks on Japan. There wouldn't be anywhere to go to.

The worrying thing about Russian aggression is their reliance on the nuclear option. Their conventional forces are no match for NATO, the rusty flotilla that's just sailed through the Channel is evidence of that. The aircraft carrier needs a constant tug escort because it's Soviet era scrap, basically.
If the Russians overstep, and actually face the Americans in conventional warfare, I think there's a risk.

Clash
Well, the law about mandatory shelters is from the 60ies. So, I'm going to guess they were worried about being caught in the middle... and Switzerland may be neutral. But it is armed and neutral. I think we have the highest gun/per capita rate of Europe.

Pip I personally think a terrorist attack on a neuclear plant is more likely.

Baggy Dunbar sounds great!
I'm just not sure. And to me wanting bunkers (or a gun) isn't that weird.
I'm pretty sure my American wife would love to have fun again. but I do admit that this fear has caused me quite a lot of distress this weak, so.... I hope the jogging and the yoga will help. If not I'll talk to my midwife (but jogging and yoga is so boring... I do miss all the fun sports stuff. I don't care about not having coffee or alcohol. But jogging is so boring!)

*a gun again

Not fun. I think she usually has fun. Unless we're having a discussion about nuclear fallout bunkers. Or brexit.

In the 80s, a relative of mine used to worry about what he would do after a nuclear attack, what preparation he needed, whether he should have a shelter etc. He went on a course about it and came to the conclusion that no one would survive so no preparing for it and stopped worrying about it.

You are in Bonnie Scotland they don't have earthquakes or hurricane

They do have Trident though.

As far as I know after a visit to the nuclear bunker at kelvedon hatch and listening to the commentary there and watching the films playing inside it was during the Cold War the Swiss government made it mandatory to build bunkers with all new built houses and funded the bunker cost

They wanted the population and citizens of there country to stay as safe as possible if nukes started flying overhead and landing either side and with the distances involved the Swiss people would probably have been absolutely fine

Unlike our government who had a plan to lock the important people away in bunkers and print protect and survive leaflets giving ideas about building fallout shelters inside your home, by leaning doors against walls and crawling under them, the idea being that people stayed put to die so body's weren't littering the streets and decaying

I think Swiss bunkers are made to withstand blasts that ... impacted (?) 700 or more meters away. (Had to learn that in school, but I'm not 100%sure, tbh)

So, many Swiss people probably would have survived, I mean, the plan wasn't a bad one. I'm actually pretty proud that the Swiss governement was this diligent and caring.

I think you should speak to your midwife.