AIBsuperU to want a house with a nuclear fallout shelter?

[WeArePregnant11]

Uhm, yeah, that's basically the whole question.

[WeArePregnant11]

cozietosie Next Monday...
clash ah, no problem. Switzerland is imo pretty great. But the more time I spend abroad I also realize how weird this little gun-toting, non-pc but compared to others very formal and polite/stiff country is :D
But I genuinely love Scotland and the U.K. So open, nice, accepting, friendly. It's amazing :)!!
I'm also glad I'm feeling better. Although my apparent dependence on sport kind of scares me. I'm not sure what to do. I hope my midwife has ideas. She seems to be very cautious (in my possibly slightly skewed opinion. But I followed her advice, of course) about sports...

[ClashCityRocker]

Thanks for the info re Switzerland.

I must admit, I always thought be ause they were 'neutral' they'd just sort of opted out completely. Every day's a school day.

Glad you're feeling a bit better.

[cozietoesie]

Good luck then. When are you due to talk to the midwife?

[WeArePregnant11]

Bananabread


True. I feel better today, this post, talking with DP and jogging helped.

This sounds super weird, but I think it's mainly the lack of high intensity sports and adrenaline is making me this anxious. Jogging today (although not as intensive as I would have liked...) helped a lot. It made me finally genuinely tired again(not just mentally) and helped me deal with all this excess energy...

But I think I do need to talk to the midwife. I genuinely think it's switching from very intense to less intense training (ever since we tried conceiving for the first time. Which luckily didn't take long. But still....). I wasn't aware how much I needed it. Or apparently relied on it.

[Bananabread123]

I'm not sure what the point of nuclear shelters are a la Switzerland....

Ok, so more people survive the blast and the first few weeks, but then what... The country wouldn't just dust itself down after a full-blown nuclear attack... (and if it was a one-off rogue bomb people would evacuate the area). So say 80%, as opposed to 5% of the population survives, with no power, no food (after stocks have run out), no way to get power or food... So rather than a very quick or relatively quick death, you face a pitiful survival of the fittest scenario where 1-2% would ultimately survive, and millions are ground down to death over a period of months through primitive violence and starvation.... Basically, nuclear shelters are an extremely expensive folly.

Luckily, nuclear Armageddon is very unlikely, and there are many other causes of death that are far more likely... There's no way to escape that, just come to terms with it and treasure each moment, taking reasonable precautions to avoid unnecessary danger... And building/buying a nuclear shelter is absolutely not one of them. Make enjoying the time you have with your baby your focus, and refuse to think about things you have no control over. If you can't resolve the anxiety, then a doctor should be able to help, either medicinally or through CBT.

[Me2017]

There is a very real nuclear shelter we had a tour of which goes down about 7 stories (and allegedly has a railway train through to No. 10 although that is probably a myth).

Those of us with parents around during Hiroshima and Nagasaki and who ourselves remember the more real threat of nuclear war and guidance booklets given out in the 60s/70s know that the risk is currently very very low indeed compared to earlier times.

Anyway the one thing I can promise everyone on this board is that they will definitely die so I am not sure it matters too much when or how.

[WeArePregnant11]

• and not being tired from working out...

[WeArePregnant11]

So: i went on a gruelling run today. (Interval training etc).
Not as fun as mb or sparring. But less risk for abdominal traum....

So, I feel way calmer. Better. Just not sure how I'm supposed to do this very often/when I'm bigger. But I'll talk to the midwife. I think pregnancy + lack of adrenaline and being tired from working out is doing weird things to my brain....

[Willow2016]

Its entirely natural to be worried about stuff when you realise you are about to be a parent.
But I do think you are over thinking things and perhaps need to discuss this with your partner and maybe with the midwife as you seem to be over thinking things and bordering on real anxiety about the birth of your child. Perhaps you are focusing on this whole 'bunker thing' as something you could be proactive about when you are feeling a bit helpless about the whole 9 months of waiting and hoping that nothing goes wrong. I know people who have spent the whole 9 months being scared of something 'going wrong' with the pregnancy/baby instead of enjoying the pregnancy. You cannot prepare for every possible emergency. Lets be honest, you are more likely to be hit by lightning than be involved in a nuclear war. WIll you stay indoors for 9 months 'just in case of storms'?

Nowhere in Scotland would you get a school to build a bunker! We live near a nuclear power station and we dont have one

TBH you wouldnt want to survive as others have said. Read 'The Road', you wouldnt want that for yourself or your child. Its the most depressing post apocalyptic book on the planet and unfortunately pretty close to what the world would be like.

Relax, enjoy the fact you are going to have a baby soon, being constantly worried isnt helping you or your partner. Yes do something you enjoy, if you want to get back into a gun club then do it, but not because you feel that you need to protect your family in the event of war, but because you enjoy the sport. LIve in the here and now not in some imagined future. If there was a nuclear attack and it dropped a few feet away from your house all that preparing would be in vain anyway.

Hey you live in Scotland, its Gods Country so you will be fine (thats a long standing joke btw not a criticism of anywhere else, and I am not even religious!)
Anyway far too many bampots, terrorists got their just deserts last time ( a good kicking) they got the message!

[GrainOfSalt]

Yes I wish I had one, and had this very conversation yesterday including which way to head and how much food/ water to store. YANBU and hell yeah I'd want to be a survivor - for however little time it was :)

[cozietoesie]

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You're a little anxious that's all.

In 516, you'd probably have been studying the firth for Saxon ships. In 1016, you'd likely have been fretting over comets - and in 1516, you'd have been unnerved by a letter from Aunty Kirsty which mentioned a possible outbreak of The Sweat in Carlisle. As it's 2016, you're just thinking of other possibilities.

You'll all be fine.

[WeArePregnant11]

Well, it's not like Brexit isn't something we think/talk about.

We wanted to buy a house and now we're hesitating/waiting to see what's going to happen.

But seeing as I'm Swiss and my wife American and we're financially secure... Well, we love it here and certainly won't leave just because it would be uncomfortable. But if it really all went to hell we could move to Switzerland or the US... (btw, we really do NOT want to move. The UK is great. Moving would be more of an emergency exit. )

[LittleLionMansMummy]

I'm pregnant too but tbh more concerned about the impact of Brexit than the possibility of nuclear war. Keeping it real.

[HKHKHR]

I think you should speak to your midwife.

[WeArePregnant11]

I think Swiss bunkers are made to withstand blasts that ... impacted (?) 700 or more meters away. (Had to learn that in school, but I'm not 100%sure, tbh)

So, many Swiss people probably would have survived, I mean, the plan wasn't a bad one. I'm actually pretty proud that the Swiss governement was this diligent and caring.

[zombiesarecoming]

As far as I know after a visit to the nuclear bunker at kelvedon hatch and listening to the commentary there and watching the films playing inside it was during the Cold War the Swiss government made it mandatory to build bunkers with all new built houses and funded the bunker cost

They wanted the population and citizens of there country to stay as safe as possible if nukes started flying overhead and landing either side and with the distances involved the Swiss people would probably have been absolutely fine

Unlike our government who had a plan to lock the important people away in bunkers and print protect and survive leaflets giving ideas about building fallout shelters inside your home, by leaning doors against walls and crawling under them, the idea being that people stayed put to die so body's weren't littering the streets and decaying

[raviolidreaming]

You are in Bonnie Scotland they don't have earthquakes or hurricane

They do have Trident though.

[Marynary]

In the 80s, a relative of mine used to worry about what he would do after a nuclear attack, what preparation he needed, whether he should have a shelter etc. He went on a course about it and came to the conclusion that no one would survive so no preparing for it and stopped worrying about it.

[WeArePregnant11]

*a gun again

Not fun. I think she usually has fun. Unless we're having a discussion about nuclear fallout bunkers. Or brexit.

[WeArePregnant11]

Clash
Well, the law about mandatory shelters is from the 60ies. So, I'm going to guess they were worried about being caught in the middle... and Switzerland may be neutral. But it is armed and neutral. I think we have the highest gun/per capita rate of Europe.

Pip I personally think a terrorist attack on a neuclear plant is more likely.

Baggy Dunbar sounds great!
I'm just not sure. And to me wanting bunkers (or a gun) isn't that weird.
I'm pretty sure my American wife would love to have fun again. but I do admit that this fear has caused me quite a lot of distress this weak, so.... I hope the jogging and the yoga will help. If not I'll talk to my midwife (but jogging and yoga is so boring... I do miss all the fun sports stuff. I don't care about not having coffee or alcohol. But jogging is so boring!)

[IwasateenagePIPassessor]

The worrying thing about Russian aggression is their reliance on the nuclear option. Their conventional forces are no match for NATO, the rusty flotilla that's just sailed through the Channel is evidence of that. The aircraft carrier needs a constant tug escort because it's Soviet era scrap, basically.
If the Russians overstep, and actually face the Americans in conventional warfare, I think there's a risk.

[IwasateenagePIPassessor]

I think the difference is that there wouldn't be just one bomb; the aim would be to paralyse the country. Overload emergency services, the NHS. It'd be different from the comparatively small and isolated attacks on Japan. There wouldn't be anywhere to go to.

[myownprivateidaho]

I agree with the OP that the US election is making war with Russia more likely. Hopefully not nuclear destruction on our doorstep though. I don't agree with those saying it's better to be dead than survive a nuclear bomb though -- afaik if you're in the fallout zone a lot of radiation poisoning can be avoided if you get out of the polluted dust asap. There were lots of Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors who lived lives long after the bomb, albeit with vastly increased chances of cancer. I know it's hopefully hypothetical, but not cool to decide that hardships are not worth your children living through.

[BaggyCheeks]

I think you should maybe speak to your midwife about your anxiety. When I was pregnant with my first, I couldn't watch the news because the North Korea stuff (at the time) was giving me major anxiety.

I've lived in Scotland all my life - the worst we have to prepare for is a winter storm, but even that isn't so bad in the grand scheme of things. Gun crime is virtually non-existent since Dunblane. Since Dunblane all schools and nurseries have to have secure entry systems so people can't enter the building at will. But you won't find a school or nursery with a bunker, they just don't exist.

[ClashCityRocker]

I never realised that about the Swiss.

I'm probably showing my total and absolute ignorance here (sorry) but why are they so insistent about nuclear shelters? I thought they were neutral so why would they be a target?

Hope you feel better about it all in the morning op.