The Duke of York wants his daughters to be full time Royals?

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www.express.co.uk/news/royal/724136/prince-andrew-requests-princesses-beatrice-eugenie-kensington-prince-charles-queen-william

This is a Sunday Express link, not a Fail one.

So Andrew wants both of his daughters to have full time royal roles funded by the public & have larger apartments at Kensington Palace. Given that the only time I ever see them in the news is for dreadful outfits & holidays, to me they are embarrassing & a bit cringy.

Andrew is complaining that they are overshadowed by William, Catherine & Harry. But if you believe & support a system of privilege by birth such as the monarchy, then it stands to reason that the direct heirs are more important than the rest.

Does Andrew have a point & IABU?!

The QM did spend quite a bit of time in Scotland in her childhood at Glamis. And Princess Margaret was born in Scotland.

Of course they were Perigrina but that is of no concern to us, nor is it any kind of defence for the royal family.
Billsykesdog I find it offensive too, the pictures of the Royal family giving the nazi salute particularly so.

The nazi connection wasn't about Philips sisters either.

For those insisting that the Royal Family is German, how many generations of monarchs have to be born in Britain, before they can be called British?

I really want to know how he got Rev cancelled.

RE the aristocracy and the Nazis. Obviously mot notably Lord Beaverbrook and Lord Redesdale, Lord Mosley and the Duke Of Windsor.

The photos of the Queen doing the Nazi salute at what 8? Are a tad unfair. She was probably having it demonstrated by her Uncle and being encouraged to copy.

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Do you have some factual evidence above and beyond what is already known? It is fairly well known that Edward VIII was sympathetic to Nazism and tried to encourage the royal family to follow (including the Nazi salute video in 1933 /34). It is well known that Philip's sisters were married to Nazis, there is the photo of him at his Sister's funeral in Germany when he was 16 surrounded by people in uniform.

No I don't Chaz, what is already known is enough.

It's interesting to think about what could have happened if Edward hadn't abdicated, given his support for Hitler. I wonder if the whole lead up to the war would have been different?

What is also know is that for the last 60+ years the Queen and Prince Philip have carried out public roles without ever trying to impose fascism on the country.

It is easy to forget now that the Nazis were seen as a protection against the Bolsheviks in Russia who murdered relatives of the Queen and Prince Philip. They have been using Prince Philip's DNA to ascertain if they have found the remains of the Romanovs as he is one of the closest known relatives still living. It is understandable that the aristocracy would have been more worried by the Russian Revolution than the initial rise of Nazism.

What is also know is that for the last 60+ years the Queen and Prince Philip have carried out public roles without ever trying to impose fascism on the country.

As well as the fact that they both wore the country's uniform in the war that was fought to save Europe from the Nazis.

They're not even English, mostly all German. I am sure if they did a DNA test on the royals, there would be very little 'blood' from the islands.

What's that got to do with anything?

They're British citizens. The descendants of immigrants are just as entitled to call themselves English as someone who's got 100% British ancestry as far back as can be traced.

There's no rule saying that you have to wait x generations after an ancestor came to England and became a British citizen before you can describe yourself as English rather than German (or whatever other nationality may be the case).

The photos of the Queen doing the Nazi salute at what 8? Are a tad unfair.

I have no problem with the Queen, and as you say, she was a child. I think she's given years of dedicated service.

The Queen Mother was a different kettle of fish. Didn't she initially hope to marry the Duke of Windsor, and when he fell for Wallis, switched to his brother? I could easily imagine her having Nazi sympathies, which she ditched when she realised we were backing the other side.

Prince Philips mother Alice is honoured at Yad Veshem for sheltering Jews during WW2.

Princess Alice's life story is fascinating. She was also named a Hero of the Holocaust by the UK. At her request, she is buried in Jerusalem.

Prince Philip have carried out public roles without ever trying to impose fascism on the country
Well they're hardly likely to do that are they, they know which side their breads buttered on.
The photos of the queen doing the nazi salute at what 8? Are a tad unfair.
The photos were of the whole family, no one would blame the 8 year old queen, it was photos that summed up the royal family's stance on nazism. Disgraceful.

The photos were of the whole family, no one would blame the 8 year old queen, it was photos that summed up the royal family's stance on nazism. Disgraceful.

The photos were taken in 1933 or 1934. It is very difficult for any of us to judge what people then understood about Nazism because we can't really put ourselves in their shoes. Can any of us can put ourselves in the position of unknowing about the Holocaust. The Anschluss and Kristellnacht didn't happen until 1938 so the true evil of Nazism hadn't been made clear when those photos were taken.

I thought this was a thread about Beatrice and Eugenie
I think they need to stop standing on their dignity as Princesses. Times have changed. Slimming down the Monarchy is a sensible move in the 21st century, not adding to it.

It's not difficult to judge the position of Nazism at all in 1933 or 1934. Hitler had made it perfectly clear in Mein Kampf published in 1925 and 1926.

The ordinary person in the street probably could not be expected to know, perhaps, except there were newspapers. In 1934 the Daily Mail printed 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts'. The Royal Family most certainly could and should have been briefed. But no, no one would blame a 7 or 8 year old princess.

The Anschluss and Kristellnacht didn't happen until 1938 so the true evil of Nazism hadn't been made clear when those photos were taken.
The true evil of anti semitism started in the early 1930S. The Royal family will have been well aware of what the Jews were going through.
They admired their policies, hence the heil Hitler salutes. They can't have not known.

I haven't rtft because I don't care enough about Andrew or his useless daughters. I realise it's moved on, but going back to the purpose of the thread, apparently Charles has blocked it. Sensibly imo because he realised that his children and grandchildren are directly in line to the throne and they are by no means guaranteed the position. Most of Williams generation seen apathetic at best about the monarchy. Adding a load of freeloading cousins to the mix will be the end of them. It's sad how Andrews turned out. I remember looking at pictures of the Queen holding him when he was a baby and thinking she looked so delighted to have him. Now look at him

one would blame a 7 or 8 year old princess.
No, no one was, the Royal family in general. The queen mother was deeply racist, as was her husband. No one knows the present queen s thoughts, she'd hardly reveal anything that could put herself in a bad light.

I agree, the queen must be a bit disappointed at how her boys turned out, Anne is the best of her kids by a long shot.

Yes, it's a shame that a more productive role couldn't have been found for Anne. Perhaps if she had been born a decade later, she could have had a career in the military and reached a high rank, but no one thought of that in the late 60s/early 70s.

The next person in line to be marginalized when Charles becomes King is Harry. As it stands now, his children will not be princes and princesses and likely won't even when he moves up a notch.

I'd be perfectly happy to retain a Royal Family as long as they became much more low key and paid their way, and became like 'those awful bicycling Dutch Royals', (or was it Scandinavians?)

I was in Holland once when Queen Juliana arrived to do something, but there was no more of the flummery than there would have been for any celebrity.

But to go back to B and E. Upper class men went into the military. Upper class gels were brought up to marry well, but society has now changed, but not quite enough, so they are lacking a role.