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AIBU?

to think I don't have to consult DH reg accepting a promotion?

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theramengirl · 19/10/2016 12:30

Details slightly changed to avoid outing.

I have been asked by a government organization to act as its media representative. It came as a surprise to me, but not to my co-workers – seems that they always ‘knew I will go places’ (this quote is direct from the mouth of one). I was in a volunteer position so far. Now I will be in the forefront.

I will also be in the media a lot – giving interviews, opinions, taking part in talk shows etc. I will have to travel frequently, and will not be at home more often.

It IS a big honour, and something I feel is like a gift from the gods for all my hard work these years. I immediately accepted.

When I went home and told my husband, he said that I have been disrespectful to our marriage by not discussing with him about accepting such a different and full time responsibility in the organization.

My husband is generally a nice guy, but is from a culture which expects women to be seen and not heard (I am from the same culture too, but brought up by liberal parents – am very lucky that way). Initially there was great friction as he realised I was not going to be a 'homemaker' like his mother or sister, but we have worked around it. I own a business now, and we are now closer than ever (or so I thought!).

He is in a well-paying job and is very generous in sharing his money (for eg he helped out a cousin of mine when he was in financial difficulty, and didn’t even expect the money back). He also travels frequently, for weeks some time, due to the nature of his work. But I have always been there at home when he returns. Now the status with change.

He is upset now. I really didn’t think it would matter (it's not like we have any dependents), I thought he would be happy for me. He is, I think, but he is also acting like I have been massively insensitive.

AIBU to feel that I didn’t have to talk to him before accepting a promotion? Should I have told this government organization – "Thanks, but give me some time to give you an answer" – and then discussed with my husband about it all, and then given my acceptance?

Will be grateful for your thoughts.

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SirChenjin · 20/10/2016 15:01

I certainly wouldn't ask you to describe them Smile. I struggle to imagine a situation where a couple wouldn't discuss these, but that's probably because DH and I don't have any family to fall back on, so we need to make sure things are watertight (as much as possible) before we make any changes. We also like to plan things and know that we're on the same page, so anything that would make X, Y or Z difficult or impossible would be talked through. Every relationship is different though Smile

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milliemolliemou · 20/10/2016 15:06

I would think one of the things OP needs to consider before the talk on Sunday is how her DH is thinking of the high profile she might be taking on. It makes it infinitely more difficult to deal with his family and is something she might have discussed with him. And I think the fact he and OP discussed fostering children indicates he wants them badly despite the fact they have decided not to have children of their own because of mental and/or physical issues in both families. Congratulations to OP and clearly she's finally got the opportunity to flower. Of course she may have decided not to consult him because she knew he'd object but it would have been a courtesy to a partnership which he's given up a lot for. If she loves him she'll speak well and explain. She might want to check what fostering arrangements are - and how old you can be to qualify but it seems it would just be a live-in nanny given the fact both travel and I'm not sure that succeeds well with foster/adoption agencies.

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SirChenjin · 20/10/2016 15:12

As far as I know, fostering is a paid role - I don't think you can both foster and work f/t. Could be wrong though.

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Topseyt · 20/10/2016 15:14

Every relationship is different. We do discuss many things, but I certainly wouldn't give up a good job opportunity for anyone. I am done with being a people pleaser and losing out because of it. That is the nub of it. Took it while I had to when the kids were small. Never again and if I had my time again things would be very different.

No family to fall back on here either. All external childcare would have had to have been paid for.

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theramengirl · 20/10/2016 15:15

Back after a day of even more intense cleaning and thinking.

I am still reading all your comments. Just want to you thank you from the bottom of my heart, each and everyone of you who has spent your time giving me advice. I really appreciate it.

The new job is NOT going to make me a celebrity. Its just like a Union spokesperson. Media and attention, yes, but quite unglamorous. But completely up my alley and I am so excited (but also feeling rotten because there is this thorn....).

Yes, you are right. I think I must have known deep down this will not go well with DH, so I never really thought of consulting him before accepting the job. I realise it now. I have apologised during dinner, anyway.

And yes I am not really that keen of fostering young children, purely because I don't think I can put in the hours or take responsibility, I don't know anything about babies in the first place! The only reason I feel it's okay for older kids is because I made some pretty bad choices in my life during my adolescence (during the time I went through CSA) and I want to give a chance to someone in the same age group to have some kind of sanctuary.

I have decided what I am going to say this to DH (he is out of town - left very early today and returning back only tomorrow night) - "I'm taking the job which doesn't really have to change anything, because otherwise I will regret it forever. and no, I don't want to foster young kids. I'm still onboard with fostering older kids, let's see how the next year is with my new workload, in the interim start the application process, and just see how it all pans out."

I understand some of your warnings. I get it that some of you are looking it at it with much too far sight than I am every capable of. But I can't really take the job and run away from him. Nobody is perfect, least of all my husband. For better or worse, I love him, even though, as somebody says, this marriage is bloody hard work, yes. But am not giving up yet. Given both our history and background, I have to do my best.

If he gives me any grief though over this, that's another story. I am hoping he realises he also should take care 'not to upset the apple cart', and that we can both work together. In any case, I am NOT giving up the job. No way.

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Topseyt · 20/10/2016 15:16

I probably sound like a bitter old goat.

I am not, but once bitten twice shy is apt.

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SirChenjin · 20/10/2016 15:19

Good for you! Sounds like you absolutely have your thoughts together and are approaching it the right way - and congratulations again on your fantastic new role Smile

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 20/10/2016 15:19

Tell him this IS NOT a him or the job choice.

When you jointly decide it is the right time to foster and you jointly agree the age / number of children to foster, then you will happily sit down and discuss what each of you might need to change in your jobs to support those choices.

Remind him that a fostering small children in the near future was never something you agreed to. In fact you had agreed to fostering older children at an unspecified future date.

It is actually his choice again here. You will not be fostering young children or doing it soon. The job is irrelevant to your choice on that. It simply highlighted that he had made a choice about your future without bothering to tell you.

Take the damn job. Then discuss possible futures with children.

Congratulations on the great job! It will give you so many more options in the future.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 20/10/2016 15:20

Ah, x-post.

Good luck OP!

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theramengirl · 20/10/2016 15:29

Reg work: DH does talk to me about his work, about the problems in his workplace, on and off. But only when he is confused or unsure. He has had a couple of promotions since our marriage, and of course he has told me about it. I work freelance, so I would tell him yay I got this project and he would say, great, and that's about it.

I also have to confess I never felt that I was being ignored or disrespected when he doesn't consult about his workplace issues with me, including any promotions. I mean, it is his work - not ours, or mine (perhaps if we had dependants things would be different). I have always lent a sympathetic ear, which is the only thing I can do, as DH is in an extremely technical field of which I know nothing about.

Which is why I guess, to some extent, I thought he also wouldn't really care that much if I didn't consult him about my job, of which he knows nothing about.

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DoinItFine · 20/10/2016 15:33

Delighted you are taking the job.

Best of luck to you in your exciting new role :)

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theramengirl · 20/10/2016 15:38

SirChenjin, I admit I haven't done much research reg fostering, we were still in the 'talks' stage, as I worked from home (most of the time) and didn't know I was going to be offered a great job.

I have no fluffy notions about fostering. I know it is a BIG responsibility, and am a bit scared, but then, all responsibilities are scary in the beginning, aren't they? I do intend to talk to a few foster parents that I know around my neighbourhood and then have a deeper discussion about it with DH this sunday.

To the member who MNer me about fostering, thanks, I am replying to you now.

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venusinscorpio · 20/10/2016 15:42

I am just glad you are going to take the job OP. You sound like you are well adjusted and understand what you are prepared to accept in your relationship and do have your boundaries set. Good for you and again well done, the job sounds really exciting!

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Lweji · 20/10/2016 15:49

Glad (for you) that you are taking up the job.

But I can't really take the job and run away from him.

I don't think anyone suggested you should choose the job and dump him. Only, as you said, to stand your ground and it would be him walking away if he isn't prepared to support you.

But do heed the far sighted warnings. You don't want to be back here in a couple of years, having fallen pregnant with a child you didn't want, possibly with MH issues, and having to give up on your career to care for that child. Or something like that.
He may seem to agree with you, only to undermine you at every possible occasion. From moaning every time you go away, to making up excuses as to why you can't go, or even getting you pregnant by stealth.

I hope he isn't like that and that you really sort it out on Sunday.

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slenderisthenight · 20/10/2016 15:51

I don't think you're ready to foster anyway, op. You need to be really strong together and individually and pretty much on the same page consistently because you would be working with children who particularly need that from you both - and who would perhaps stain the best of partnerships.

Everything for you guys still seems quite new. The huge mood swings, the surprises over the last few days - I don't think you're sure who you are together yet. It's not time to add a third person who will be in desperate need of stability.

You also have to really want to do it and understandably you're distracted just now.

All that to say, I doubt you'd be approved just now in any case.

I think you should have told your dh about it first but absolutely would have done the same thing in my excitement!

I'd be very very sad if my dh didn't want me to take on something so wonderful for my career.

Did you have a prior agreement that you'd be the primary carer for foster children or did he assume that!? Or was the agreement that you weren't going to have kids full stop with a ' we'll see what happens ' about the fostering? That would make abig difference to who is being UR in my opinion but he will have to understand your desire to take the job and accept you -or not - as you are. He has no right to say you shouldn't work full time as if that's somehow his prerogative.

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slenderisthenight · 20/10/2016 15:52

strain not stain!!

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HillaryFTW · 20/10/2016 15:53

Glad you are taking the job

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AcrossthePond55 · 20/10/2016 16:09

So glad you're taking the job! If nothing else, it puts you on a more equal footing with your DH in terms of being self supporting.

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HelenaDove · 20/10/2016 16:43

milliemollie it was his parents that forced him to choose not the OP.

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Sallystyle · 20/10/2016 17:12

I'm sorry OP, You are married to a controlling arsehole. He is not nice at all.

Please take that job, do not give this opportunity away for him, you will regret it forever.

If someone offered me a promotion that I want badly I would accept on the spot, then go home and discuss any issues with my husband. I would not wait to accept on the grounds that I need to discuss it with dh first. If I want it I'm going to take it and any discussions can take place later.

Please be careful OP.

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Topseyt · 20/10/2016 18:06

Glad you are taking the job.

Maybe that will be enough to get the message through to him that some things are not his to control. You can hope so.

You can be married yet retain your independence career-wise and financially.

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Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 00:51

theramengirl I am really pleased you are taking the job.

I've tried to read several comments but not all.

I am curious why your husband is interested in fostering and not adoption, I also think it is worth noting that children who come through the care system may have mental health issues, I think one in three of us does anyway, and caring for a child with issues can put a strain on any issues we have ourselves. So you and your husband will need to be in a 'good place' to take on that challenge.

It also sounds like your 'not talking to him before making the decision' was really not based on not thinking about consulting him, as in not caring what he thought or simply overlooking him; but rather being aware he would not 'approve' and not wanting to have to deal with that disapproval. Even that fact, to me, means you really are not in a position to consider fostering at this time. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Children really can drive a couple apart. It is easy to think that a child will unite a couple but actually I think the strains of parenting in any circumstances can put additional strain on a marriage.

I was coming back from yesterday to say that fostering isn't something you can get into quite as easily as wanting to do it, and then doing it. Which I am quite sure you know but I wonder if your husband has realized there may be a time gap between wanting to do it, and doing it.

We adopted a few years ago and between the time we talked to a social worker about it seriously (which was quite a few months after we went to an open evening about it, and several years after first talking to each other a lot about it) there was a gap of 20 months. I am not sure how long it takes to get approved as a foster carer, I would imagine it is quite a bit less than for adoption, but still a period of time of selection and preparation. So you could work at your job for a period of time and if you want to pursue fostering, you can do so together.

We also have a birth child and parenting together has been a wonderful thing for our marriage, with both our kids, but I think the fact we both wanted to do so has been key. It sounds like you and your husband are not on the same page about these things and that really is key (in my humble opinion). Flowers

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Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 01:13

Having had any kind of mental health issues does not rule you out of adoption, as long as things are under control and will not be detrimental to the child. I had anxiety a long time ago, (18 years ago) and I am sure people have adopted with far more recent 'issues'.

So I would imagine it would be similar for fostering.

However, I am sure that having depression or mood swings which seriously impact on family life could be an issue. I can't remember how you phrased it up thread. Your husband sounds like he is mentally under some strain, crying at night, did you mention mood swings?

So it does seem to me there are various things to work through before considering parenting, however you do it, if you do it.

I do think that the job has raised the issues with fostering for you both, it has kind of brought it into sharp focus. I think this is a good thing, it has meant your husband cannot just assume you will do as he wishes.

When you talk about things on Sunday I would personally (in your shoes) try and make peace together first to discuss things, he may well be very hurt you did not discuss things with him.

It may be hard for him to hear you did not do so because you 'knew' what he would think, is that right? It might actually be harder for him to digest than thinking you just did not care about him enough to discuss it! But I hope not.

I hope he will see you acted in the way you did because of a kind of self preservation, looking out for yourself, maybe that is too much to say, maybe this is not true, but I think it does show that your expectations of life, and your husband's, are quite different. It is not that you do not care about him but that your own desires are potentially being stifled - I don't know if I am accurately saying how you fee and I don't know if saying this to your husband will help, but it does (to me) make a lot more sense than the initial impression that your opening post gave of maybe simply not thinking to consult him.

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HelenaDove · 21/10/2016 01:19

Yet he always thought it ok to not discuss his promotions with the OP.


IMO he wants to foster so he can use the foster children/child to control the OP.

THAT is a very very wrong reason to foster.

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Topseyt · 21/10/2016 03:01

I suspect too that he means for the OP to do most or all of the work of fostering while his life and career continue unabated.

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