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AIBU?

to think I don't have to consult DH reg accepting a promotion?

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theramengirl · 19/10/2016 12:30

Details slightly changed to avoid outing.

I have been asked by a government organization to act as its media representative. It came as a surprise to me, but not to my co-workers – seems that they always ‘knew I will go places’ (this quote is direct from the mouth of one). I was in a volunteer position so far. Now I will be in the forefront.

I will also be in the media a lot – giving interviews, opinions, taking part in talk shows etc. I will have to travel frequently, and will not be at home more often.

It IS a big honour, and something I feel is like a gift from the gods for all my hard work these years. I immediately accepted.

When I went home and told my husband, he said that I have been disrespectful to our marriage by not discussing with him about accepting such a different and full time responsibility in the organization.

My husband is generally a nice guy, but is from a culture which expects women to be seen and not heard (I am from the same culture too, but brought up by liberal parents – am very lucky that way). Initially there was great friction as he realised I was not going to be a 'homemaker' like his mother or sister, but we have worked around it. I own a business now, and we are now closer than ever (or so I thought!).

He is in a well-paying job and is very generous in sharing his money (for eg he helped out a cousin of mine when he was in financial difficulty, and didn’t even expect the money back). He also travels frequently, for weeks some time, due to the nature of his work. But I have always been there at home when he returns. Now the status with change.

He is upset now. I really didn’t think it would matter (it's not like we have any dependents), I thought he would be happy for me. He is, I think, but he is also acting like I have been massively insensitive.

AIBU to feel that I didn’t have to talk to him before accepting a promotion? Should I have told this government organization – "Thanks, but give me some time to give you an answer" – and then discussed with my husband about it all, and then given my acceptance?

Will be grateful for your thoughts.

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butterfliesandzebras · 21/10/2016 14:22

The thing is, if you throw out the sexist belief system, there not really a conflict here.

You want to work full time at you fab new job. He wants you both not to work full time so you see each other plenty, and because he is keen to foster. You are happy to foster older kids as long as it doesn't prevent you having your career.

Therefore the obvious solution is you take the job, he quits his to be main carer, and you go through the fostering process on that basis. Win-win.

If he's not happy with that, then it comes down to him wanting you to give up on everything you want to facilitate his wants (that he is carefully branding as 'our life' in his ultimatum, to make him sound more reasonable).

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HelenaDove · 21/10/2016 13:22

What culture is he from OP?

I agree with Just. Going by his manipulative behaviour so far he may begrudgingly agree to you taking the job but could try to make it difficult in other ways.

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JustWoman · 21/10/2016 12:43

I'd also be offended at the calling in a favour. His parents made him choose, not you. But he thinks he did you a favour?

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JustWoman · 21/10/2016 12:41

I can't add anything others have not.

If not seeing each other on evenings is bothering him to the point he doesn't want you to work, then I assume he's happy to give up his job too?

His being away is ok, and it can't have bothered him how you'd feel or he would have discussed it with you, but you can't possibly be away at all because he'll be on is own and spending time together is important plus fostering etc? I'm sorry but he thinks he and his wishes comes first without giving much consideration to yours.

You taking this job doesn't mean fostering can't happen either. (If that is what you want). He could reduce his own hours to be in the home more for example, or he could be the stahp while you earn the money. He should be willing to do what he's expecting you to do if he truly does think it's a reasonable suggestion.

His suggesting a younger child just as you've been offered this job makes me think it's because you'd be more tied to the home, an older child, you could still work, a younger child you couldn't. If he is seeing it this way it shows again that he's assuming you will be doing all the childcare etc without asking you first. You'd be dependant on him for money too and the cynical part of me thinks he actually knows this and is what he wants.

He's been your equal up to now because you've done as he wished, you've been where he wanted you to be and he probably thought your freelancing was just a little hobby to keep you busy while he had the real job. The fact he thinks you should have asked permission from him, but that he doesn't need yours shows on some level he thinks he's superior to you and in charge of your lives together.

I'd take this job no matter what. If you don't, you will regret it. I know you say he said he will respect your choice, but the manipulative language he is using makes me think he won't. He will sulk and strop and maybe resent you going against his wishes. If you don't take it, you'll resent him. I think it has potential to go wrong either way now, but in taking that job, you have your own security should it do so.

Your happiness should be as important as his.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 21/10/2016 09:19

Very pleased you've decided to take the job, I think it's absolutely the right thing for you.
Don't know how your DH is going to feel about it, especially when he realises you won't be moved on this - but I think his reaction at that point is going to tell you pretty much all you need to know about how the rest of your marriage is going to go.

Good luck, Theramen - the job sounds amazing and I'm sure you'll do it brilliantly Thanks

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DontMindMe1 · 21/10/2016 04:27

Because once I became a media person I will only aim higher and higher and will not really care about having a family (??!!), because of the way I am - ambitious and ruthless (wtf?

He's using emotional manipulation to try and control you. He has broken away from his parents controlling natures but he doesn't see that in himself - yet.

He's reverting back to stereotype so his ego can feel better. He doesn't want you 'working'. He'd rather you did something that keeps you at home, catering to his needs and putting him first. He probably viewed your freelancing as a 'hobby' and not real work.
Why has he never done anything about his frequent travelling if 'spending time together' was so important to him?

Plus i think there's also some jealousy there on his part - you're 'outshining' him professionally as he sees it and his macho ego can't handle it.
His ego also doesn't like competing for attention. If he can't handle you working how is he going to handle having a foster child? Cos you know - you still won't be able to give him ALL your attention and time.
He's acting like a petulant brat.

Also, dropping the fostering comment in was another attempt at manipulation. He hasn't thought about how he's going to spend more time at home in the future - but he was seriously considering taking on the responsibility of a child? Hmm

He's shown a very ugly side of his nature, OP. No matter all the good he's done - he should not be emotionally manipulating or blackmailing you! Calling in a 'favour' - ffs! What - he wants your permission to call the shots in your life? Hmm

He's got some growing up to do if he wants to be a foster parent.

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Topseyt · 21/10/2016 03:01

I suspect too that he means for the OP to do most or all of the work of fostering while his life and career continue unabated.

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HelenaDove · 21/10/2016 01:19

Yet he always thought it ok to not discuss his promotions with the OP.


IMO he wants to foster so he can use the foster children/child to control the OP.

THAT is a very very wrong reason to foster.

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Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 01:13

Having had any kind of mental health issues does not rule you out of adoption, as long as things are under control and will not be detrimental to the child. I had anxiety a long time ago, (18 years ago) and I am sure people have adopted with far more recent 'issues'.

So I would imagine it would be similar for fostering.

However, I am sure that having depression or mood swings which seriously impact on family life could be an issue. I can't remember how you phrased it up thread. Your husband sounds like he is mentally under some strain, crying at night, did you mention mood swings?

So it does seem to me there are various things to work through before considering parenting, however you do it, if you do it.

I do think that the job has raised the issues with fostering for you both, it has kind of brought it into sharp focus. I think this is a good thing, it has meant your husband cannot just assume you will do as he wishes.

When you talk about things on Sunday I would personally (in your shoes) try and make peace together first to discuss things, he may well be very hurt you did not discuss things with him.

It may be hard for him to hear you did not do so because you 'knew' what he would think, is that right? It might actually be harder for him to digest than thinking you just did not care about him enough to discuss it! But I hope not.

I hope he will see you acted in the way you did because of a kind of self preservation, looking out for yourself, maybe that is too much to say, maybe this is not true, but I think it does show that your expectations of life, and your husband's, are quite different. It is not that you do not care about him but that your own desires are potentially being stifled - I don't know if I am accurately saying how you fee and I don't know if saying this to your husband will help, but it does (to me) make a lot more sense than the initial impression that your opening post gave of maybe simply not thinking to consult him.

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Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 00:51

theramengirl I am really pleased you are taking the job.

I've tried to read several comments but not all.

I am curious why your husband is interested in fostering and not adoption, I also think it is worth noting that children who come through the care system may have mental health issues, I think one in three of us does anyway, and caring for a child with issues can put a strain on any issues we have ourselves. So you and your husband will need to be in a 'good place' to take on that challenge.

It also sounds like your 'not talking to him before making the decision' was really not based on not thinking about consulting him, as in not caring what he thought or simply overlooking him; but rather being aware he would not 'approve' and not wanting to have to deal with that disapproval. Even that fact, to me, means you really are not in a position to consider fostering at this time. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Children really can drive a couple apart. It is easy to think that a child will unite a couple but actually I think the strains of parenting in any circumstances can put additional strain on a marriage.

I was coming back from yesterday to say that fostering isn't something you can get into quite as easily as wanting to do it, and then doing it. Which I am quite sure you know but I wonder if your husband has realized there may be a time gap between wanting to do it, and doing it.

We adopted a few years ago and between the time we talked to a social worker about it seriously (which was quite a few months after we went to an open evening about it, and several years after first talking to each other a lot about it) there was a gap of 20 months. I am not sure how long it takes to get approved as a foster carer, I would imagine it is quite a bit less than for adoption, but still a period of time of selection and preparation. So you could work at your job for a period of time and if you want to pursue fostering, you can do so together.

We also have a birth child and parenting together has been a wonderful thing for our marriage, with both our kids, but I think the fact we both wanted to do so has been key. It sounds like you and your husband are not on the same page about these things and that really is key (in my humble opinion). Flowers

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Topseyt · 20/10/2016 18:06

Glad you are taking the job.

Maybe that will be enough to get the message through to him that some things are not his to control. You can hope so.

You can be married yet retain your independence career-wise and financially.

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Sallystyle · 20/10/2016 17:12

I'm sorry OP, You are married to a controlling arsehole. He is not nice at all.

Please take that job, do not give this opportunity away for him, you will regret it forever.

If someone offered me a promotion that I want badly I would accept on the spot, then go home and discuss any issues with my husband. I would not wait to accept on the grounds that I need to discuss it with dh first. If I want it I'm going to take it and any discussions can take place later.

Please be careful OP.

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HelenaDove · 20/10/2016 16:43

milliemollie it was his parents that forced him to choose not the OP.

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AcrossthePond55 · 20/10/2016 16:09

So glad you're taking the job! If nothing else, it puts you on a more equal footing with your DH in terms of being self supporting.

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HillaryFTW · 20/10/2016 15:53

Glad you are taking the job

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slenderisthenight · 20/10/2016 15:52

strain not stain!!

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slenderisthenight · 20/10/2016 15:51

I don't think you're ready to foster anyway, op. You need to be really strong together and individually and pretty much on the same page consistently because you would be working with children who particularly need that from you both - and who would perhaps stain the best of partnerships.

Everything for you guys still seems quite new. The huge mood swings, the surprises over the last few days - I don't think you're sure who you are together yet. It's not time to add a third person who will be in desperate need of stability.

You also have to really want to do it and understandably you're distracted just now.

All that to say, I doubt you'd be approved just now in any case.

I think you should have told your dh about it first but absolutely would have done the same thing in my excitement!

I'd be very very sad if my dh didn't want me to take on something so wonderful for my career.

Did you have a prior agreement that you'd be the primary carer for foster children or did he assume that!? Or was the agreement that you weren't going to have kids full stop with a ' we'll see what happens ' about the fostering? That would make abig difference to who is being UR in my opinion but he will have to understand your desire to take the job and accept you -or not - as you are. He has no right to say you shouldn't work full time as if that's somehow his prerogative.

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Lweji · 20/10/2016 15:49

Glad (for you) that you are taking up the job.

But I can't really take the job and run away from him.

I don't think anyone suggested you should choose the job and dump him. Only, as you said, to stand your ground and it would be him walking away if he isn't prepared to support you.

But do heed the far sighted warnings. You don't want to be back here in a couple of years, having fallen pregnant with a child you didn't want, possibly with MH issues, and having to give up on your career to care for that child. Or something like that.
He may seem to agree with you, only to undermine you at every possible occasion. From moaning every time you go away, to making up excuses as to why you can't go, or even getting you pregnant by stealth.

I hope he isn't like that and that you really sort it out on Sunday.

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venusinscorpio · 20/10/2016 15:42

I am just glad you are going to take the job OP. You sound like you are well adjusted and understand what you are prepared to accept in your relationship and do have your boundaries set. Good for you and again well done, the job sounds really exciting!

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theramengirl · 20/10/2016 15:38

SirChenjin, I admit I haven't done much research reg fostering, we were still in the 'talks' stage, as I worked from home (most of the time) and didn't know I was going to be offered a great job.

I have no fluffy notions about fostering. I know it is a BIG responsibility, and am a bit scared, but then, all responsibilities are scary in the beginning, aren't they? I do intend to talk to a few foster parents that I know around my neighbourhood and then have a deeper discussion about it with DH this sunday.

To the member who MNer me about fostering, thanks, I am replying to you now.

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DoinItFine · 20/10/2016 15:33

Delighted you are taking the job.

Best of luck to you in your exciting new role :)

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theramengirl · 20/10/2016 15:29

Reg work: DH does talk to me about his work, about the problems in his workplace, on and off. But only when he is confused or unsure. He has had a couple of promotions since our marriage, and of course he has told me about it. I work freelance, so I would tell him yay I got this project and he would say, great, and that's about it.

I also have to confess I never felt that I was being ignored or disrespected when he doesn't consult about his workplace issues with me, including any promotions. I mean, it is his work - not ours, or mine (perhaps if we had dependants things would be different). I have always lent a sympathetic ear, which is the only thing I can do, as DH is in an extremely technical field of which I know nothing about.

Which is why I guess, to some extent, I thought he also wouldn't really care that much if I didn't consult him about my job, of which he knows nothing about.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 20/10/2016 15:20

Ah, x-post.

Good luck OP!

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 20/10/2016 15:19

Tell him this IS NOT a him or the job choice.

When you jointly decide it is the right time to foster and you jointly agree the age / number of children to foster, then you will happily sit down and discuss what each of you might need to change in your jobs to support those choices.

Remind him that a fostering small children in the near future was never something you agreed to. In fact you had agreed to fostering older children at an unspecified future date.

It is actually his choice again here. You will not be fostering young children or doing it soon. The job is irrelevant to your choice on that. It simply highlighted that he had made a choice about your future without bothering to tell you.

Take the damn job. Then discuss possible futures with children.

Congratulations on the great job! It will give you so many more options in the future.

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SirChenjin · 20/10/2016 15:19

Good for you! Sounds like you absolutely have your thoughts together and are approaching it the right way - and congratulations again on your fantastic new role Smile

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