AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

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After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

MaudlinMaud Of course. But making it even harder for the killers to make something of their lives when they are released will not bring back the victims or help their families.

Andrewoffgg The killers have gone through the justice system and will be sentenced. That is where my concern for them ends. What happens to them after is unimportant.

Googling out of curiosity, bit like those baying crowds who used to ( and in some countries still do) go to watch public executions. But noooooo, you're not one of those are you, you're on mumsnet.

dinosaur who are you to try and control the way how people may think and feel?

This is going to be discussed on The Wright Stuff this morning. They daren't have a phone-in given how many people know more than it's legal to say surely.

BastardGoDarkly and how exactly did Facebook tell you that? You didn't comment about motives being on Facebook, you said how sad it was about comments on the page. That's voyeurism at its worst.

it's quite obvious who they are. Naming them will not bring the two women brutally murdered by the boy back. What I don't understand is why she is equally culpable. I thought by the news last night that she physically attacked them. Seems this was not the case at all. It was the boyfriend who committed the murders but of course it's all about the young girl and her goading him on to do it. Of the two, he is the most dangerous, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh whatever aye I went on fb to see if the Google leaks were true, as others have said that's what they did. The comments were sad. It's all sad. If that level of interest (5 minutes) makes me voyeuristic and pornographic (wtf?!) according to some, that's fine :)

BastardGoDarkly you keep telling yourself that it's ok, and that it's not invasive and voyeuristic. "Because everyone else did it first" stopped being an excuse when you were 5 btw.

I did it and I think it's ok aye

Elendon - Puzzled at your attitude that she isn't culpable? I presume you sat through the whole case at court? Clearly the Jury believe she was culpable and hence guilty of murder. In murders where several people are involved, you can still be guilty of murder even if you didn't do the "fatal" blow or similar. Or are you one of these people who think "good girls/women" could never do something that bad?

I would also add the anonymity is more on the side of the boy who did the killing rather than the girl, to protect the family.

Fair enough, if you choose to get off on them details of tragedy who am I to stop you. I doubt you'd say those things with a cheesy grin on your face within 3 feet of someone who had lost someone in circumstances like that though. Oh wait....

Elendon it wasn't two women who were murdered, it was a woman and her 13 yr old daughter.

aye People have been sympathetic to your experiences in this thread but just as you experienced something horrific is not a reason for other people to be interested in an event, however tragic it is.

Beat me to it Aye

What things??! Seriously aye wtf are you on about?

BlancheBlue it's one thing to read/watch the news, it's quite another to go googling and Facebook stalking to satisfy some perverse curiosity.

No Blanche I do not. But there are cases where one does the killing and the rest of those involved can also be accused of murder. There was a BBC drama on this. Can't remember the legal term. Will go to google to find out.

Basically, he drove the knife into each of his victims throat, and then smothered the young 13 year old. It takes a lot of effort to do that.

I hate this Bonnie and Clyde thing. Like men are not responsible for their actions, if a woman is involved. That young boy's mental state was not plastered all over the papers, only the young girls, perhaps for reasons that I can't go into, for I would be breaching the anonymity.

You smugly said with a big cheesy grin added on that you thought about it and were OK with it. That's what I was on about.

A thirteen year old is still a woman, a young woman, and of course a girl.

Checking the facts of a case on TV?! Yes, I am ok with that. That's like saying if you read the headlines of a horrible story, continuing to read the facts is voyeuristic and ghoulish, why do you need to know?!

According to reports of the trial (and I was not there of course) the defendant tried to a defence of both mental illness and coercion and both of these were rejected by court and jury hence guilty verdict. As I (and you) said, a murder where several people are present can and has led to guilty verdicts even though a person does not take a "killing" action.