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AIBU to feel cross and frustrated with mum? Money, mortgage, inheritance

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minifingerz · 17/10/2016 19:51

I've posted about this on mumsnet before, but the situation has changed a bit in the past year.

The back story: dad did equity release on parental home a few years before he died. My mum never fully understood what she was signing her name to - she didn't understand the concept of compound interest, still doesn't.

Five years on from dad's death and mum now (now 81) lives in the family home with my older sister, who raised a 150K interest only mortgage on her salary to pay off the equity release, and is servicing this fairly large mortgage while she lives at home with my mum. If she hadn't done that it is likely the bulk of the value of the house would have been consumed in a fairly short period of time, leaving my mum stuck in a detached house with a massive garden, which she would struggle to maintain on her own, but unable to leave as she wouldn't have enough money available after paying the equity release off to buy another cheaper property in the very expensive area where she is determined to see her days out.

Now here's the problem: dsis has psoriasis which has become very very bad recently, to the point that her hands and feet are almost completely raw, and she is struggling to get through every day in her very strenuous and responsible (and physically active) job. She has to sleep with plastic bags on her hands and feet, comes home every with blood leaking out of the dressings, and has to spend half an hour after work every day debriding and soaking her hands and feet before wrapping them in clingfilm. Sad This results in her barely managing to keep on top of her work and suffering from quite intense anxiety about it as a knock on. I can't see how she can continue in her job and neither can she, but if she leaves how will she service the mortgage? She is 53 and would struggle to get a job that in any other sector which would be feasible for her with her health problems. She has had this problem for years and has tried many different treatments which until recently kept it under control enough to allow her to function. In the last year however it's got really out of control.

Anyway, a family friend died earlier this year and left my mum 120K and my sister 30K, enough money to pay off the mortgage. As soon as my mum phoned me and told me about the inheritance I said 'brilliant, now you can pay the mortgage off and you can both stop worrying about your future in the house' (ie, can you afford to stay or will you have to sell and downsize if you can't pay the mortgage). DB said exactly the same, and so did my mum's best friend.

All fine. Except not, as mum has decided that she wants to use her part of the inheritance to get the (perfectly decent and functional) kitchen remodelled, go on cruises, and generally live it up, while my sister carries on servicing the mortgage.

My brother put it to my mum that my sister is really struggling with work, to which my mum's response was 'she's lucky to live here in such a lovely house, she's made her choices, now she has to deal with the consequences'.

I feel gutted and angry with my mum. My sister has grafted all her life and never complained. She has never had anyone who's 'got her back'. Her ex partner of 19 years was profoundly selfish and insisted on separate homes/finances until she left him. Then her next partner offered her the security of a home together, but turned out to be a violent abuser. He was a gambler and an alcoholic who ran through all the equity my sister had when she sold her flat to move in with him, and she ended up back in a rented property at 43 with nothing in the bank. She has never asked my parents for anything and is the most honest, sincere, principled person I know. I feel distressed that my mum can't take her needs into account, given that my sister is struggling so badly with her psoriasis. My mum's quality of life is so good for someone of her age. She has a very comfortable income, is active, is still driving, has enough of an income to eat out several times a week, go on holiday with her friends, employ a cleaner and a part-time gardener, and put money in the bank every week. She has a better social life than me and she hasn't worked full time since she was in her 20's. I could understand her wanting to live it up on her inheritance if she didn't already have a really good quality of life, hadn't already travelled the world several times over, been on a cruise, lived in beautiful homes etc. She's said that she wants to give some of the money to my db and me, but we've said firmly that we don't want it, that we want her to pay off the mortgage with it so that this stops being a worry for her and my sister.

It's like she can't compute that not paying off the mortgage means that my sister is trapped on a treadmill of full-time work which she is becoming too ill to cope with. If I try to get this point across to her she gets angry with me and closes down. Tells me to stop upsetting her, that she's old and can't deal with people upsetting her.

I feel oddly distressed about how hard-faced my mum is being. She's a loving person, but she's not behaving like a loving mother to my sister in relation to this issue. I can't see how it's going to pan out right now, and I'm worried about it causing a serious rift between us.

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minifingerz · 17/10/2016 20:20

"I don't fully understand but if your sister hadn't taken out the mortgage mum wouldn't have been able to continue to live in the family home and now your sister owns most of the property?"

No, my mum could have stayed in the property and watched its value get eaten up faster and faster each year as the compound interest on the equity release mounted up. It would have taken about 10 to 15 years to consume pretty much the entire value of the house. My mum started off thinking she'd die quite soon (despite being in excellent health Hmm ) so as to leave a bit of money afterwards for us. I think she massively miscalculated - I can see her going on well into her 90's - she's strong. The upshot would have been her having no option except to stay in the house until she died, however unsuitable/difficult to heat/having a quarter acre garden she can't cope with, as the alternative would be to move out with nothing after the equity had gone.

The house would sell for about 800K and has strong development potential. My sister only owns a small part of it.

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minifingerz · 17/10/2016 20:22

"Sell the house and move her to something more manageable for them"

They'll have to carry her out feet first.

She'll never voluntarily leave her home. She loves it.

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BombadierFritz · 17/10/2016 20:23

but from her pov, perhaps that would have been better? she doesnt seem to want to sell after all? maybe selling and downsizing is the answer so your sister can retire. if its that or repossession (altho how your sis got a mortgage on a property she doesnt fully own is another matter - can they repossess?)

OneEpisode · 17/10/2016 20:24

Could your mum get equity release again? Give dsis her money back, dsis has her £30k inheritance. Dsis has tried to protect the family home, but she can't, can she?

Optimist1 · 17/10/2016 20:25

To be blunt, it sounds as though your mother's needs and wants have been met in spades over the past years. Your sister is working herself into the ground (and I think I'm right in saying psoriasis is aggravated by stress) whilst sharing what is technically her house with a woman who appears to be the embodiment of entitlement. An intervention is called for, and it sounds as though you and your brother need to make it.

Sadly, I have no practical advice to offer, but would imagine that making a statement of affairs for your mother and the same for your sister would be a good starting point. Your mother's alleged ignorance of all things financial has served her quite comfortably for a long time; she needs to have it spelled out to her. There might well be tantrums and tears but that won't change the current situation - she has to be made to acknowledge it.

Your sister is lucky to have you on side - let her know she's not alone in her struggle.

minifingerz · 17/10/2016 20:25

"Sounds tough, but this part of your post stood out: " employ a cleaner and a part-time gardener, and put money in the bank every week" It doesn't actually sound like your mum would struggle to maintain the house at all."

She would because my sister pays for half of this, plus half of the cost of the daily dog walker. The gardener only comes for 2 hours a week. This isn't enough to maintain a quarter acre garden in summer. My sister mows the lawn and does quite a bit, when her hands and feet allow her. My mum would struggle to afford to cover all the costs of the house alone, even though her retirement income is good.

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RandomMess · 17/10/2016 20:27

I think your sister should be able to force the sale of the house as she is part owner.

Your Mum won't like it but if you siblings stand firm and say you support your sister she'll have the choice of either falling out with ALL of you and keeping it reigned in and choosing a new smaller home.

OneEpisode · 17/10/2016 20:30

Where would dsis like to live? Would she rent, could she buy? Low maintenance flat? Can she print some estate agent stuff off and look forward to her new life?

alltouchedout · 17/10/2016 20:30

Ouch. Your mum is going to have a very rude awakening, but it's your sister I feel sorry for.
You said your mum wants to give you some money- could you accept and give it to your sister to pay off some of her mortgage?

minifingerz · 17/10/2016 20:31

"Could your mum get equity release again? Give dsis her money back, dsis has her £30k inheritance. Dsis has tried to protect the family home, but she can't, can she?"

Yes - there is 600K of equity in the property at least.

My mum really, really wouldn't want to live alone in the house. She needs and wants my sister there.

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minifingerz · 17/10/2016 20:32

"You said your mum wants to give you some money- could you accept and give it to your sister to pay off some of her mortgage?"

I think the sums she was thinking of were somewhere along the lines of 3K each. I have told her I don't want it as has my brother. It would be a drop in the ocean for my sister.

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daisygirlmac · 17/10/2016 20:33

Just a suggestion OP but my grandma got a bit funny about financials at a similar stage and refused to discuss anything with her children. They asked the family solicitor to have a chat with her - would this be an option? We found that advice from a professional older man was something she was happy to listen to as she was that generation iyswim

Sadsnake · 17/10/2016 20:34

Can yr sister get out of the mortgage.

JenniferYellowHat1980 · 17/10/2016 20:34

Your mum sees your sister cone home every day to treat and dress her bleeding hands and feet but insists on taking cruises and living it up instead of relieving her of the financial burden she's under created to clear up the financial mess your parents made? I've never heard anything so selfish. Your DS has no other option than to sell. Your mother has two options: move or buy your DS out. Your DS needs to stand up to her.

emmyhNL · 17/10/2016 20:35

I think your mum is being so unreasonable. I really feel for your dsis :-(

Definitely agree about talking to your mum as a group and laying it all out very clearly

happypoobum · 17/10/2016 20:35

Sorry but it sounds like you are all pussyfooting around your DM.

Tell her if she doesn't use the money to pay off what DSIS owes, DSIS will trigger the sale of the house. It's totally unfair that she should have to suffer like this - what kind of mother would be happy with that?

She pays up or she ships out. What a cow!

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 17/10/2016 20:36

I think you might need to contact the mortgage company and let them know that your sister is unable to work anymore and unable to pay the mortgage. Technically the bank owns that share until the mortgage is paid. Then your mother will be forced to accept the situation as the bank put the house on the market to reclaim their share.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if that's right or not but your mother might believe it.

Sadsnake · 17/10/2016 20:36

Yr sister needs to sort this out for herself and not be a doormat to a selfish mother..she needs to mov e out and cut her financial ties with her mother...just how selfish can a mother be.im shocked

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 17/10/2016 20:37

Ooh - saying that, does your sister have any mortgage protection policy? One that might pay out if she's forced to quit work?

Pisssssedofff · 17/10/2016 20:38

Is there a financial advisor or an accountant that is a family friend who could spell it out to your mother?
Tbh in the daughter - your sisters position, she isn't going to need or get credit anyway is threaten to default on the mortgage unless the mother does the decent thing. Who is the house left to in the will ? I pressume the sister is getting a bigger chunk on the basis there would have been nothing left to split had the sister not stepped in

LovelyBranches · 17/10/2016 20:38

I think this response needs to come from your sister with you and your brothers firm response.

Does your sister want to live with your mother? If so then it needs to be made clear to your mother that she pays off the mortgage and your sister pays rent of some kind (if she's that harsh to make her ill daughter pay).

The other option is your mother pays the mortgage and repays your sister so that she can buy her own place, hopefully with a much smaller mortgage.

Neither option is going to please your mother but she'a very lucky that it's family who have helped her out. The bank would have repossessed long ago.

minifingerz · 17/10/2016 20:38

Your mum sees your sister cone home every day to treat and dress her bleeding hands and feet but insists on taking cruises and living it up instead of relieving her of the financial burden she's under created to clear up the financial mess your parents made? I've never heard anything so selfish.

^^ this is exactly how I see it. I feel Sad

"We found that advice from a professional older man was something she was happy to listen to as she was that generation iyswim"

I think you're spot on!

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Sadsnake · 17/10/2016 20:38

What I don't get is why your sister would allow herself to be used like this.why is she allowing your mother to abuse her?

BombadierFritz · 17/10/2016 20:41

I dont think the mother is lucky tbh. she wouldnt have been repossesed. its the childrens inheritances that wouldnt have existed. she could have stayed, even let your sister stay rentfree and contribute to costs, and not risked losing her house. it is her daughter who has brought the risk of losing the house. out of the best of intentions but it hasnt worked out :(

Badders123 · 17/10/2016 20:41

Your poor sister seems to have moved into another abusive relationship sadly :( this time with her own mother.
In her shoes I would be forcing the sale of the house and getting her money back so she could I've out and retire and live comfortably.

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