Drunk consent is still consent is a load of rubbish. ( Ched Even acquitted)

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www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ched-evans-rape-trial-defence-12017591

I am fuming at this, how many women now will not come forward because of this ruling.

Sorry if this has been done already.

rapecrisis.org.uk/mythsvsrealities.php

90% of rapes are by men known to the victim.

Victim blaming mentality would tell us to avoid these men, which clearly is impossible.

Drunk consent is still consent.
Ched Evans is still a rapist.

If I don't go out and do x, y and z then lucky me, I don't get raped. Another woman does. It doesn't solve the problem of rape, it just changes who the victim is.

It's a facile, inane analogy, Maggie. But do feel free to make it, obvs.

Three in 10 (30%) female rape victims were aged under 16, a quarter (25%) were 14 or younger and nearly one in 10 (9%) were nine years old or under.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/11/30-of-female-victims-under-16

What do you want to teach a 9 year old about protecting herself or minimising her risk of being raped?

Oh do fuck off I had sex last night I was drunk as a sunk and I can assure you dh didn't rape me

And if we say that a women has no clue what's she's doing because she is drunk then you will get men saying well I was dunk i had no idea what I was doing p

Even when your drunk you know what your doing the only difference if your passed out

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11343380/Sexually-assault-1-in-3-UK-female-students-victim-on-campus.html

Rape culture is alive and well in the student population. How much energy is being put into teaching teenager boys/men to respect women, what consent means, not to rape?

We hear an awful lot of information directed at girls/women about how to dress and behave to "avoid being raped". .

How about all of us demanding that 5/10/20/100/1000 times as much energy and funding is directed at teaching young men/students not to be a cunting rapist first opportunity they get after leaving home. In fact I don't ever think I've heard or seen this.

all this information and much much more is freely available with the briefest google.

open your eyes!

However I do think this victim blaming thing has gone to
Far it's not victim blaming to tell my daughters not to get so drunk that people can take advantage or you don't go off with people you don't know Ect

Just like its very sensible and not victim blaming for the police to say keep widows and doors locked when out nobody has the right to rob you but don't make it easy for them 😳

Thefisherwife don't be an arsehole with such goady fuckwittery.

Can you not tell the difference between drunken sex between long term partners who know each other very well (of course rape can happen under these circumstances but so can consenting sex) and a man walking into a hotel room where his friend is having sex with an intoxicated stranger and "taking over" the sex without exchanging a word??

www.ebony.com/news-views/stop-telling-women-how-to-not-get-raped#axzz4JcMnPk00

www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/heres-everything-you-need-to-do-to-prevent-getting-raped?utm_term=.nklQRXzlk#.kgYGdZMm6

Very useful video - how not to get raped:

Blindly spouting 'men shouldn't rape' is not going to stop rape happening.

Men AND women need educating, but it will still happen.

I will always tell my DD's not to drink too much, don't let your drinks get spiked, don't go off with men you don't know, don't go to places you don't know. Because I don't want them getting raped or murdered.

“Police issue warning to women not to walk or travel alone after woman grabbed in latest incident.”

“Police warn motorists not to drive after speeding drivers cause crashes in local area.”

“Police warn residents not to have garden sheds made out of wood after spate of arson cases.”

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2015/nov/05/why-do-the-police-still-tell-women-that-they-should-avoid-getting-raped?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

don't let your drinks get spiked
yeah cause all those women who's drink does get spiked let it happen!!!

What about the men your daughters know? You know, the ones most likely to rape them?

Very depressing to see so much support from rape culture on MN.

Women know drinking makes them more vulnerable for a variety of reasons, as it does everyone. But you can't live your life without taking risks, or you'd never leave the house. And that isn't safe, either. It's up to each individual person to decide how much they want to mitigate or act to minimise risk. But as I've said before, it's not always so simple. Things change, even when you have good intentions.

Picture the scene. Your friend leaves you in the club without telling you, it's closing time. You have a few options. You could walk home, but it's awfully dark and late. You could wait for a licenced taxi cab, but they say it will be an hour or more and you don't think it's safe to hang around. You could get a minicab as there are some around the corner waiting, but you know they're often not safe. You could go home with the man you've just met, he seems ok and he says you can stay at his house.

So, come on then, which one? Come on, chop chop!

poster venusinscorpio Wed 19-Oct-16 15:12:37
Why don't you leave your front door and widowes open after all life's about risk taking 😳

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11489536/Sarah-Silverman-rape-prevention-tips-go-viral.-Upset-men.html

The 'rape prevention' tips in full:

1. Don’t put drugs in women’s drinks.
2. When you see a woman walking by herself, leave her alone.
3. If you pull over to help a woman whose car has broken down, remember not to rape her.
4. If you are in an elevator and a woman gets in, don’t rape her.
5. When you encounter a woman who is asleep, the safest course of action is to not rape her.
6. Never creep into a woman’s home through an unlocked door or window, or spring out at her from between parked cars, or rape her.
7. Remember, people go to the laundry room to do their laundry. Do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
8. Use the Buddy System! If it is inconvenient for you to stop yourself from raping women, ask a trusted friend to accompany you at all times.
9. Carry a rape whistle. If you find that you are about to rape someone, blow the whistle until someone comes to stop you.

10. Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. When asking a woman out on a date, don’t pretend that you are interested in her as a person; tell her straight up that you expect to be raping her later. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the woman may take it as a sign that you do not plan to rape her.

poster venusinscorpio

I don't get drunk and don't drink when out and I always drive so I. Have a way of getting home with out replying on other

I had a friend go off with some guy when I was 20 he dumped her on the hard shoulder when he realised she wasn't going to shagg him

Actually, there is plenty of advice regarding theft/mugging type situations which could be seen as 'victim blaming' as it is suggesting people take precautions.

I saw a sign at the train station the other day about pickpockets.

My neighbourhood watch scheme frequently puts leaflets through my letterbox saying don't leave windows open/fall for door to door scammers etc.

But I can't possibly make such a facile, inane analogy can I Venus?

I know Panda. And the thing is that they still victim- blame even when women follow their arbitrary rules. On the thread about the rape of the Oxford school girl there were posters whose knee jerk response to a girl in school uniform being grabbed off the street in broad daylight and raped by two men was "she probably made the allegations up - we all know teenage girls are attention seekers." Irreally despair of some of the attitudes on here sometimes.

Women's bodies aren't property that we should conceal from people who want to steal or hurt them. I can't leave my body at home like an expensive piece of jewellery.

And that line of thinking is bullshit anyway, because the man most likely to hurt you is one you know and trust. You might lock your front door, but you probably wouldn't think twice about letting a close friend in to your home.

The mistake Panda et al seem to be making is to assume that if one suggests not getting drunk-to-the-point-of-incapacitation as a precautionary measure, one is assigning moral responsibility to the potential victim. Now obviously out there on the internet, lots of people do just that, but I don't think anyone here is doing that.

It should be quite obvious that all sorts of men are rapists and that much of the time you can't protect yourself. Take a taxi instead of walking home, and the taxi driver might be a rapist. Accept a lift from a male friend, and the friend might be a rapist. Your husband, uncle, boyfriend, acquaintance, work colleague, they might all be rapists. A lot of the time there isn't a lot a woman can do to protect herself.

The one thing she can do is avoid getting utterly incapacitated through drink. Because men who are rapists will take advantage of that, just as they will take advantage of any vulnerable woman. And that's not saying that a woman is morally to blame if she gets raped while drunk, just that it's probably a really good idea not to get that drunk. Just as it's probably a good idea to lock your back door when you go to bed.

Not that difficult to understand, surely?

Of course women need to take responsibility for their personal safety.

I am a mother of girls. I wil be telling them when the time is right NOT to go out and get blind drunk.

I will be doing this because it is perilous to their health. They may suffer alcohol poisoning, fall and injure themselves, it may impede their judgement and as a result they might do something idiotic like take a late night skinny dip in the dead of winter. They might lose their bearings and get lost.

I will not be telling them not to get blind drunk to keep themselves safe from rape. I will tell them that the only thing that can keep women safe from rape is men by choosing not to rape.

If they fall down drunk and get raped when they are on the floor, that happened because a rapist was in their vicinity when they fell down not because they fell down.

If they get drunk, suffer bad judgement and go home with a man who later rapes them that is because that man was a rapist not because they were too drunk to know it's not a great idea to go home with strangers.

If they can-can nakid down the highstreet, hollering "fuck me now!" and are then raped that is because a rapist was present not because they danced naked down the highstreet.

Rapists are present in 100% of rapes. Alcohol is not. Drunk women are not raped by vodka, they are raped by rapists.

I will be telling my daughters this because if they are unlucky enough to meet a rapist, I, as a loving mother need them to know it is not their fault and nothing and no-one but the rapist could have ever changed the outcome.