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To expect to be paid more than half? (Pic included)

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MrsA2015 · 10/10/2016 17:58

Background: I'm a home baker using decent/top quality ingredients in my cakes, friends and family buy off me for special events and am trying to kick start a little baking business from home ( after receiving loads of compliments and encouragement which I'm thankful for!) A friend has requested a cake (pictured) and offered well below the asking price knowing what quality I use and usually the one to berate others if they take the mick when it comes to price. I don't over charge and usually find I've undrecharged when adding up costs ( new to this). How much would you expect to pay for this cake? I'm just feeling a little upset really, I love her and will still make it just surprised at asking to pay less than half. I understand mates rates and all...
Before you ask
Yes she can afford it
I don't buy wholesale ingredients
No I didn't stick to my price (out of shock)

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chaplin1409 · 10/10/2016 19:32

I want to know now too

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 10/10/2016 19:33

£2.50 plus that tenner she owes you?

JammyDodger16 · 10/10/2016 19:33

Friends can really put you in awkward situations. A friend of mine once asked me for a 10% discount on £50 worth of handmade fabric goods. I did it too but vowed never to do it again. She also had the money and felt it was ok to quibble over £5!

imnottoofussed · 10/10/2016 19:33

How much did they offer you, come back op Confused

LagunaBubbles · 10/10/2016 19:36

And people like you Reality are the reason I just bake for family and friends and not try to make a business of it. It's not just a "cake"- you are paying for the persons time, and some decorations take a long long time to make. I made 50 sugar roses for a wedding cake that took me weeks to do.

MrsSchadenfreude · 10/10/2016 19:37

I made a large chocolate cake for a colleague once. She said she would pay me the cost of the ingredients. It came to around £25. She quibbled and asked to see the supermarket receipts. Shock

WTAFF · 10/10/2016 19:37

Did you cancel the cheque OP? Wink

BaronessEllaSaturday · 10/10/2016 19:37

Just checked the website of a place near us that makes wedding cakes and it would be about £700 (size dependent) just goes to show just how much the price of cakes can vary. not finding a reason to place mark

MoonStar07 · 10/10/2016 19:38

Fuck it I don't care. £2.50

TheVermiciousKnid · 10/10/2016 19:38

Or maybe the OP should pay the friend as it's such a great opportunity to practice her baking skills?

haveirememberedthebaby · 10/10/2016 19:40

This came up on my Facebook timeline as a memory the other day, which I wrote a year ago when someone wanted this for £50 ;-) -

A note about bespoke cakes
I'd like to share with you the cake I made last week :-) Firstly, because I'm really pleased with it - and the customer was too, which is obviously the main thing! But also secondly, because I thought perhaps it was a good time to let people know a bit about the care, time and love that goes into decorating cakes like this (and therefore cost ;-) ) :-)
I am a perfectionist, I'll admit that - which is why when someone orders a cake from me, they can be confident they're going to get the best I can do on the design they'd like. Baking the actual cake, generally, takes very little of the total time I spend on a cake. A lot of people can bake a cake :-) What's different about something like this castle, is that it's obviously not just about baking the cake - that's just the start - and it's this sort of decoration and detail that you're paying for when you ask me to make your cake.
Making things generally does not pay well. Most people who make things do it, in part, because they love doing it - but if they've chosen to take orders and make them for other people, it is also a business and, as such, needs to pay sensibly. Everyone's budget for something is different and it's completely understandable that not everyone will either want to, choose to or be able to afford to pay more than a certain amount for something. But it is also important to realise that, sometimes, something is out of budget for someone and not for someone else. Different people choose to or need to spend their money on different things. That's the way it is. And that's OK :-) It's OK with me if I've quoted more than your budget and you don't go ahead. It's OK with me if it's a bit over your budget and you ask if there's anything we can compromise on to bring it into budget. And it's OK with me, obviously, if you love it and you want to go ahead :-)
When someone asks me how much it would be to make a bespoke cake for them, firstly I spend time talking to them or messaging them to find out what it is they would like. I spend time researching ideas, working out how to do it, what design to do, whether I'll need to buy anything specific I don't have in stock and, if so, I go and get it. I take into account how and how far they're going to transport it. Baking the cake itself is a very small amount of the time I spend on the whole cake. Even the cost of the ingredients of a cake are a relatively small part of the overall cost. What costs you for your bespoke cake is my time. Factored into that cost should also be my experience, courses I've been on, time I've spent learning how to do things, time I spend working out how to do something differently to how it might usually be done so it arrives in one piece after you've transported it up to Scotland or whereever ;-) Also that I am registered with the Food Standards Agency and have appropriate insurance and food hygiene ratings (and some people aren't/don't, even though they should). But mainly - it takes a good number of hours to decorate a cake like this!
For example, this castle cake took me over 13 hours to bake and decorate. Part of that was that the cake recipe itself was more timeconsuming than my usual sponge recipe. But even so, it still took well over 10 hours to decorate (and that's not including any of the time discussing requirements with the customer, which I make sure I do in detail because it's important to me to make sure I produce what the customer wants and is going to be delighted with).
I also have no idea as soon as someone messages me, exactly how long the cake it going to take. It takes time to work that out ;-)
Currently [written originally in October 2015] the minimum wage in the UK outside London is £6.70 per hour. The current living wage is £7.85 per hour. That means if I was employed by someone, they would by law have to pay me at least £88 for the hours I spent on this cake. If they were paying the living wage, the same number of hours would be £102+. (Obviously more if you included the discussing and quoting time - and that's excluding the ingredients). For comparison, to have a cleaner around here costs £10-£12 per hour - on that hourly rate, this cake would cost £130-£156 + ingredients....
Most people who make things don't get minimum wage for their time, because it seems a lot of people who ask them to do things don't expect to pay them minimum wage for doing it :-(
As I said above, It's OK if I've quoted more than someone's budget and they don't go ahead. It's OK if it's a bit over budget and they ask if there's anything we can compromise on to bring it into budget. What's not OK is for someone to say "I don't like your quote. Will you do the same thing for this much less?" I've had people ask me to reduce my quote (which is rarely as much as minimum hourly wage) by as much as 50% - and they expect me to take them up on their kind offer... ;-) I'm proud to say I think my cakes and my time - and my self-respect - are worth more than that :-) Thank you for supporting local individual businesses. x

www.facebook.com/makeyourowncakes/photos/?tab=album&album_id=482233065277896

To expect to be paid more than half? (Pic included)
To expect to be paid more than half? (Pic included)
To expect to be paid more than half? (Pic included)
acatcalledjohn · 10/10/2016 19:40

I made a large chocolate cake for a colleague once. She said she would pay me the cost of the ingredients. It came to around £25. She quibbled and asked to see the supermarket receipts.

ShockShockShock

Fuck me. I made a large choc cake for a colleague this year, two tier (but simple). Gave her the actual cost, and left it up to her to choose what she paid. She was generous and didn't ask to see receipts. Then again, she is realistic and has common sense, and isn't a money grabbing twunt.

MrTCakes · 10/10/2016 19:41

Fgs op get back here!

UterusUterusGhali · 10/10/2016 19:42

I agree with people who've said make a teeny tiny cake. Grin

hefzi · 10/10/2016 19:42

Clearly by MN standards, I have no taste, as I am more consumed by how hideous I believe that cake to be (seriously: glitter plus black and white? And half a thread of people raving about it's utter loveliness Confused - to me, it's tasteless glittery shite, but each to their own Grin) than by the potential of rude offers from a friend.

Back in't day, before fondant became all the rage and it was all about fiddly royal piping, I used to do cakes: after one error (mates' rates that left me bitter for months Grin) it was as gifts only all the way. I agree with PP who say you set the rate, and decide if it's a gift, not the cheeky fecker who wants you to make it for nowt!

icecreamfairy · 10/10/2016 19:42

I recently bought a made to order 8" square cake for a family birthday, designed to look like a parcel with ribbons on etc. It was £60. I think that's probably towards top end for our area, but it depends where you are too I guess.

Not sure why I'm writing this as the OP isn't coming back!!!

IfAtFirstUDontSucceed · 10/10/2016 19:42

This is going to be a huge anti climax as there have been such a range of guesses now!

lougle · 10/10/2016 19:42

Is it a business or a hobby?

DeadGood · 10/10/2016 19:42

"RealityCheque

£150+++??? You lot fucking crack me up! It's a cake, not a fucking monthly shop!"

Carry on laughing on your own... That's how much cakes cost, regardless of what you think they "should" be

BastardGoDarkly · 10/10/2016 19:43

Cake anyone?

hefzi · 10/10/2016 19:43

Agh, punctuation fail: its. Its, its, its. As you were.

ohtheholidays · 10/10/2016 19:44

I'd have thought around £200.

BolshierAryaStark · 10/10/2016 19:44

Ffs, read through all 8 pages & still don't know what OP has been offered... Hmm

Elfieselfie · 10/10/2016 19:45

Bloody hell, hurry up and tell us op!

fizzyapple1 · 10/10/2016 19:45

placemarking Grin

I guess £40?